Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Harley Quinn]

I’m like 99.9999999% sure Enchant is scum.

[Datisi]

vote count 3.03

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-06-25 12:30:00).

yeet

Wallflower [3]:

Enchant, Ausuka, Bellaphant

Enchant [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Harley Quinn

not voting [7]:

implosion, Wallflower, Roden, Dwlee99, Aristeia, Save The Dragons, Titus

mod notes

~ Save The Dragons is v/la until the 20th.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

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[Harley Quinn]

is wallflower not hammered?

Idk, if it if, she’s probably scum but Enchant for certain is, based off my analysis.

[Harley Quinn]

It’s either Enchant/Wallflower or Enchant/STD.

He didn’t pick bp to be immortal, he picked it to fuck with the NKA. It probably doesn’t matter because Wallflower is probably mech guiltied but on the slight chance scum did target Ausuka, it’s a slight possibility it could be STD. He’s barely been present in this game.

[Ausuka]

I don't understand why we lim enchant before wallflower

Like I'm not saying wallflower is scum 100% of the time but neither of them ever endgames anyway

If we lim Enchant first,
1) implosion inherits BP when we want him to inherit doctor or Jailkeeper
2) We don't get the advantage of a possibly unkillable IC in Enchant, which I get is a fairly small possibility but it seems just optimal to plan around it

[Harley Quinn]

You make a valid point but look at the VC, Enchant is the first vote on WF vs HEM and STD isn’t doing anything, so what’s your plan if Wallflower flips town?

[Ausuka]

I jail someone else and we discuss again tomorrow

I don't think enchant voting wallflower means anything particularly?

[Harley Quinn]

I think it’s possible scum thought Ari didn’t jk Ausuka. Maybe I’m wrong but I think STD could still be scum but like I’m almost certain Enchant is.

Enchant’s reactions to both Roden check and Ari’s not wanting to vig him don’t make any sense if Enchant is town, plus he tried to get Ari limmed > HEM.

Only way town or scum anything other than scum bp or okay with my hypothetical vigging them is if they know they were not targeted n1 and that’s why he was upset at Roden’s voyeur check because Roden makes it clear he wasn’t targeted. Like what town!bp doesn’t jump for joy here at being confirmed bp and what anyone other than never targeted scum bp is unhappy at not being vigged?

Yeah, I really think Enchant/STD is a possibility. Where is STD and why isn’t he doing anything?

So I just don’t know if it really makes that much sense for me not to lim my strongest sr when I still have some slight paranoia on STD. \_0_/

Like I’m not going to fight it if everyone prefers WF but I just don’t see anyway Enchant is ever town here.

[Ausuka]

I mean if the majority end up agreeing we should lim Enchant for whatever reason I guess it's fine so not much point arguing

[Titus]

I'm hammering whomever reaches L minus 1

[Enchant]

I think it’s possible scum thought Ari didn’t jk Ausuka. Maybe I’m wrong but I think STD could still be scum but like I’m almost certain Enchant is.

Enchant’s reactions to both Roden check and Ari’s not wanting to vig him don’t make any sense if Enchant is town, plus he tried to get Ari limmed > HEM.

Only way town or scum anything other than scum bp or okay with my hypothetical vigging them is if they know they were not targeted n1 and that’s why he was upset at Roden’s voyeur check because Roden makes it clear he wasn’t targeted. Like what town!bp doesn’t jump for joy here at being confirmed bp and what anyone other than never targeted scum bp is unhappy at not being vigged?

Yeah, I really think Enchant/STD is a possibility. Where is STD and why isn’t he doing anything?

So I just don’t know if it really makes that much sense for me not to lim my strongest sr when I still have some slight paranoia on STD. \_0_/

Like I’m not going to fight it if everyone prefers WF but I just don’t see anyway Enchant is ever town here.

This post doesn't make sense.

[Harley Quinn]

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”

Posts like this one give me pause. Does this sound especially partnery?

[Harley Quinn]

I think it’s possible scum thought Ari didn’t jk Ausuka. Maybe I’m wrong but I think STD could still be scum but like I’m almost certain Enchant is.

Enchant’s reactions to both Roden check and Ari’s not wanting to vig him don’t make any sense if Enchant is town, plus he tried to get Ari limmed > HEM.

Only way town or scum anything other than scum bp or okay with my hypothetical vigging them is if they know they were not targeted n1 and that’s why he was upset at Roden’s voyeur check because Roden makes it clear he wasn’t targeted. Like what town!bp doesn’t jump for joy here at being confirmed bp and what anyone other than never targeted scum bp is unhappy at not being vigged?

Yeah, I really think Enchant/STD is a possibility. Where is STD and why isn’t he doing anything?

So I just don’t know if it really makes that much sense for me not to lim my strongest sr when I still have some slight paranoia on STD. \_0_/

Like I’m not going to fight it if everyone prefers WF but I just don’t see anyway Enchant is ever town here.

This post doesn't make sense.

What doesn’t make sense?

[Enchant]

I am not upset at check, i questioned is Watcher (who is 1-shot) really targeted claimed BP and why. I didn't knew Roden is actually Voyour, which is acceptable.

Fact that i was not shot N2 have no connection to N1, I don't understand your accusation here.

Yes, vigging me is dumb. What else you expect?

[Harley Quinn]

I am not upset at check, i questioned is Watcher (who is 1-shot) really targeted claimed BP and why. I didn't knew Roden is actually Voyour, which is acceptable.

Fact that i was not shot N2 have no connection to N1, I don't understand your accusation here.

Yes, vigging me is dumb. What else you expect?

Who is Wallflower’s buddy?

And any other reads you’d care to share?

[Enchant]

Maybe you, if you dodging answering on arguments.

[Ausuka]

I mean if hq is scum she threw with the venge claim so

[Ausuka]

Ok well no she can still win with her partner. But that's not a concern if it's HQ/Wallflower at least

[Harley Quinn]

I’m obviously not scum with anyone. I’m willing to switch my vote. And I definitely am town venge.

Having some slight paranoia on STD shouldn’t affect anyone’s read on me.

[Harley Quinn]

Ausuka, how did it completely go over your head that he completely dodged my questions?

[Ausuka]

I mean Enchant hasn't played for the entire game, I'm not expecting him to start now

[Ausuka]

Again unless Enchant is literally 100% confirmed town I have absolutely NO desire to leave him to endgame

Scum!enchant does not win unless it's because of his partner

This is just about what I view as the optimal order of eliminations for mechanical reasons

[Enchant]

I will not answer anything, if you don't respect my mind, and you perfectly show you don't.

Therefore talking is useless. Why you ask questions, if you plainly always change topics?

[Harley Quinn]

I mean if hq is scum she threw with the venge claim so

No I didn’t. I decided to out the venge when I realized I was wrong on Implosion and I didn’t want to compromise your jk.

Like ffs, I am in complete disbelief at this.

Like yeah, this makes so much sense. I out being venge when I could have continued with my vig ruse to what end? Why does scum!me do that?

[Harley Quinn]

I will not answer anything, if you don't respect my mind, and you perfectly show you don't.

Therefore talking is useless. Why you ask questions, if you plainly always change topics?

Whatever, fine my vote stays then.