Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Kovu]

VOTE: Enchant

[fireisredsir]

Very likely town besties
Fire, Kovu

awww FIRE!!! WE'RE TOWN BESTIES!!!

HECK YEAH WE ARE!!!

[Meuh]

Anyone else thinking Enchant is scum here? I don't really see a world where they aren't at this point

VOTE: Enchant yay!
This is good timing because Cakez' last few posts look good
I think Dun flips scum slightly more often than Enchant; but the point about an Enchant lim needing to happen at some point is very true.

Pedit: <3 BFFs

[Enchant]

Anyone else thinking Enchant is scum here? I don't really see a world where they aren't at this point

VOTE: Enchant yay!
This is good timing because Cakez' last few posts look good

Of course good timing.

[Enchant]

Just questioning.

Why not on Day 1?
Why you advocated to not vig me?
And many other questions tbh.

[Meuh]

Who are these questions directed to

[Enchant]

Everyone, because only person advocated for vigging me is ironically, me.

[Val89]

but the point about an Enchant lim needing to happen at some point is very true.

What am I, exactly?

I understand the point about a common Invictus target going into tonight (and the probability of guns pointing that way increase every night in) isn't a good thing.

I'm not opposed to this in principle.

[Meuh]

Just questioning.

Why not on Day 1?
Why you advocated to not vig me?
And many other questions tbh.

1. I feel like at this point we should be more oriented at narrowing the POE and less looking for info from flips, like we were doing earlier in the game. We have a red flip and we've found our footing in the game, now's the time to do it. Late enough that we've gotten a good bit of info already and early enough that we don't have to sort you in the endgame
2. That's not something I particularly considered but it sounds like a bad idea. By vig pew pewing you instead of just limming you, you get an invictus shot. If you're scum that invictus shot likely gets pointed at whoever any mafia would be invictusing, if you're town I still don't trust you to shoot correctly. So you're not a good vig option.

What am I, exactly?

You are a user of the internet forum Mafiascum.net going by the pseudonym of Val89!
No but really I'm not sure what you're asking here?

[SirCakez]

ok I just had a thought, maybe it's dumb but hear me out

am i 100% convinced enchant is maf? no, not at all

when i try to imagine what scum teams there could be, is enchant on the vast majority of them? yes

does enchant 100% need to be resolved before elo? yes

and the thing I realized is... even on the off chance that enchant is town here, im pretty sure scum would actually want them not to be limmed? like, think about it. if we flip someone else today, im guessing a lot of the town will be heading into the night with invictus on enchant. i know i probably will. people are tired of hero shots, and just want to narrow the poe. it makes sense. but thats actually shielding for scum. if they know that enchant is town, then they want everyone's invictus on them because invictus shots are much harder to predict compared to their ability to influence the lim during the day. limming enchant removes that shield and makes it harder for them to feel safe with their night kill

and the pretty likely alternative is that enchant is just scum. so it's a win win

VOTE: Enchant

I am starting to lean this way too

[SirCakez]

VOTE: enchant
Let's just get rid of him like fire said
He can't live to endgame anyways

[Enchant]

You all suck lol

[Enchant]

Whole idea "Aw you would't shot right anyway" is coming from anime avatar, who don't even know who can be scum this day and just points in random directions every 5 min.

It's outrageously hilarous.

[Meuh]

Effort is what matters!

[Meuh]

Also TMI on me being town?

[Enchant]

What sense in effort, if it's useless?

[Enchant]

Also TMI on me being town?

Yes, not writing "Probably" is incredibly scummy.

[gorilla]

@mostly R&R and gorilla -
I'd still prefer Dunn over anyone else atm but could we talk a little more about Fey since the day is stalling out a bit?

I can see pretty clearly where gorilla's coming from and I think I see where R&R is coming from (in that Fey's posts getting emotional, particularly #2388 #2392 which do seem town when looked at apart from the rest of her play), but I think that the vast majority of that kind of emotional posting is more due to the personality of the player making them than their alignment. Tbf I'm not even completely sure if it's those posts in particular, but if it is R&R, could you explain why you don't think Fey would post that as scum as well as town? Like I can pretty easily see her getting frustrated as either alignment as I've already said, and for that in particular I can see her as scum or town thinking that it's very stupid for you to prioritize getting a neighborhood over considering her more as town/considering Cakez as scum, and also it did seem like there was a bit lost in translation there where the assumption was on Fey's end that Cakez would still be alive the next day, and I don't think I understood that completely the first time either given that I think your plan was *elim fey->if town then cakez dies but also the neighborhood between specifically Bell & you (NOT including the dead-that-night Cakez) would still go through*.

p-edit:

At this point I'd rather just let someone in the POE dictate the elimination, with the agreement that if they're wrong everyone should invictus them.

I don't want to continue doing this in future days b/c I think it prob leads to the same type of shots that the Invictus's have been so far, but if the risk of having guns pointed at me if I'm wrong is what it takes for a Dunn elim to actually happen today than I'm willing to do it

If no one takes charge we're going to end up havuing a path of least resistance vote on enchant, because no one actually wants to defend him.

Am I terribly convinced Fey is mafia? No, but I could be wrong. Could I go there at some point? Eh, okay.

[SirCakez]

Am I terribly convinced Fey is mafia? No, but I could be wrong. Could I go there at some point? Eh, okay.

Same

[gorilla]

VOTE: Dunnnstral

This game isn't worth expending effort on.

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh

Whole idea "Aw you would't shot right anyway" is coming from anime avatar, who don't even know who can be scum this day and just points in random directions every 5 min.

It's outrageously hilarous.

Also TMI on me being town?

Yes, not writing "Probably" is incredibly scummy.

[fireisredsir]

If no one takes charge we're going to end up havuing a path of least resistance vote on enchant, because no one actually wants to defend him.

do you disagree with the idea that if enchant is town then maf probably want them alive as an invictus shield? im actually curious, im not sure that my line of thinking is correct there, but it makes sense to me

[Enchant]

VOTE: Dunn

kk

[Enchant]

If no one takes charge we're going to end up havuing a path of least resistance vote on enchant, because no one actually wants to defend him.

do you disagree with the idea that if enchant is town then maf probably want them alive as an invictus shield? im actually curious, im not sure that my line of thinking is correct there, but it makes sense to me

Then don't aim at me.

[fireisredsir]

i mean you're probably just scum, though