Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:37 am

In post 98, RH9 wrote:Got that.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?

If 3 people claim the only way we can tell who is the cultist is to eliminate one of them them, but 2 out of 3 of them will be telling the truth and we will likely kill a Vengeful townie. Even if we hit the prime cultist it doesn't help us. We could opt to not eliminate them but what if the cultist claiming is the leader?
I think we would have to kill all of them. Luckily because of the Vengeful townie power it would only take one phase. If we hit one of the vengeful townies they could kill one of the other people who claimed and we would know who the liar was although we might have one Vengeful townie kill the other which would suck. If we hit the cultist then yay if leader, eh if prime cultist.
Question now is: What if 4 people claim?

Nathann · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:39 am

I think Korina is a non-Leader Cultist. Their entrance into this game feels designed to get people angry and to vote them over it. It feels inflammatory for the sake of it. And since I feel like Korina is a better Scum player than that and wouldn't make such a stupid error, AND that they would realize it's in Cult's favour to kill non-Leader Cultists since then they can convert more.

And I'm vaguely reading Bellaphant as not aligned with Korina, so there's that.

RH9 is still my best bet for Cult Leader. His posts feel like he's genuinely trying to uphold a thread presence, but he's not actually saying anything helpful or Townie.

Beat · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:43 am

I think its funny Korina wants to leash vengefuls.

I mean, even if we elimmed a vengeful, they could just... not kill who we tell them. Theres no repercussion to doing so.

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:44 am

In post 100, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
In post 98, RH9 wrote:Got that.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?
If 3 people claim the only way we can tell who is the cultist is to eliminate one of them them, but 2 out of 3 of them will be telling the truth and we will likely kill a Vengeful townie. Even if we hit the prime cultist it doesn't help us. We could opt to not eliminate them but what if the cultist claiming is the leader?
I think we would have to kill all of them. Luckily because of the Vengeful townie power it would only take one phase. If we hit one of the vengeful townies they could kill one of the other people who claimed and we would know who the liar was although we might have one Vengeful townie kill the other which would suck. If we hit the cultist then yay if leader, eh if prime cultist.
Question now is: What if 4 people claim?

Bad scenario: 3 people claim, we elim a vengeful townie, they kill the other vengeful townie and we are left with 9 ppl 3 original cultists and know who one of the cultists are (I would say we don't elim them immediately but figure out if they are prime or leader by elimming someone else first), we would know the D4 Gov was still town

Other bad scenario: 3 people claim, we elim a vengeful townie, they kill a prime cultist, 9 people, one person confirmed not leader

Maybe, because I feel like it would probably be a prime cultist lying we could hold off on figuring out who was lying or not till we had too. However then one of the two vengeful townies might be a cultist by then and not cooperate.

Beat · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:45 am

In post 100, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
In post 98, RH9 wrote:Got that.
Thanks, Enchant.
By the way, what happens if there ends up being more than 2 Vengeful claims?
If 3 people claim the only way we can tell who is the cultist is to eliminate one of them them, but 2 out of 3 of them will be telling the truth and we will likely kill a Vengeful townie. Even if we hit the prime cultist it doesn't help us. We could opt to not eliminate them but what if the cultist claiming is the leader?
I think we would have to kill all of them. Luckily because of the Vengeful townie power it would only take one phase. If we hit one of the vengeful townies they could kill one of the other people who claimed and we would know who the liar was although we might have one Vengeful townie kill the other which would suck. If we hit the cultist then yay if leader, eh if prime cultist.
Question now is: What if 4 people claim?

We find 2 cultists in 4 people. That kind of info is always a net positive

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:46 am

I also think Korina isn't the leader

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:05 am

I'm still unsure of if we should get the Vengeful Townies to claim but right now I'm leaning towards that we should. (not because I think we will get 4 claims or anything). Just because it will narrow the pool of who could be Cult Leader. Despite what Enchant said cult could benefit from certain outcomes of CCing. I want to know how likely people think Cult will claim. I townread Enchant right now.

Nathann · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:12 am

Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I

should

have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

Jacket · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:26 am

In post 62, RH9 wrote:By the way,
UNVOTE: Jacket
His posts seem to come from a Town mindset.

What have I actually done?

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:29 am

In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether
I have played with furtive a bit and I lightly townread this. I think the whole conversation was odd though, not in an AI way.

Jacket · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:30 am

In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

It feels like such blatant ass-kissing I wouldn't expect scum to do it.

Enchant · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:32 am

In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

I sense it's approach furtive taked for something, his previous posts confirms.

Cat.Jpeg · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:32 am

In post 110, Jacket wrote:
In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.
It feels like such blatant ass-kissing I wouldn't expect scum to do it.

I think it's sarcastic and the opposite of ass-kissing. Not sure though.
(sorry for messed up quoting)

Jacket · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:34 am

VOTE: cat.jpeg

You seem a little too wrapped up in the mechanics discussion.

Nathann · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:41 am

If it's genuine, then I agree with Jacket that he's probably Town.
If it's sarcastic, then I'm not sure if it's AI. I want to say it's Scummy for ignoring my questioning and cutting the conversation short, but I've been wrong on reads like that too many times.

Jacket · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:43 am

I would figure he wouldn't ask about it if he didn't actually believe there was a difference.

Nathann · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:44 am

Maybe. But he never actually said what the thinks the difference is.

furtiveglance · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:01 am

64 was a bit tongue-in-cheek Nathann. My opinion is that there's not a lot to read into, although you could be right that silent voting is less towny. It's not something I'd make a read about. I do townread you by the way, that was serious (although I might not townread you forever).

Bellaphant · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:07 am

114 is such a bad take on the situation.

Also, cat.jpeg is probably town. The vote on her is bad - I cousktn understand the set up stuff when enchant and korina were talking, but what cat says actually makes sense? Like, she's the least scummy of the three 'set up' talkers.

Bellaphant · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:08 am

VOTE: nathaan

I don't see any of the posts on this page coming from a genuine response.

Nathann · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:18 am

What's bad about it?

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:46 am

Vote count 1.4

Korina (3)

: furtiveglance, Titus, BlueBloodedToffee

Jacket (1)

: Beat

Cat. Jpeg (1)

: Jacket

Enchant (1)

: Cat.Jpeg

RH9 (1)

: Nathann

Furtiveglance (1)

: Korina

Nathann (1)

: Bellaphant

Not voting (2)

: Enchant, RH9

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-27 05:04:00)

Jacket · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:52 am

In post 118, Bellaphant wrote:114 is such a bad take on the situation.

Also, cat.jpeg is probably town. The vote on her is bad - I cousktn understand the set up stuff when enchant and korina were talking, but what cat says actually makes sense? Like, she's the least scummy of the three 'set up' talkers.

Don't agree - enchant very obviously has town minded motivations in what he's saying. cat just seems to be spinning their wheels as a way of having having something to talk about.

Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: nathaan

I don't see any of the posts on this page coming from a genuine response.

Explain?

Bellaphant · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:27 am

In post 101, Nathann wrote:I think Korina is a non-Leader Cultist. Their entrance into this game feels designed to get people angry and to vote them over it. It feels inflammatory for the sake of it. And since I feel like Korina is a better Scum player than that and wouldn't make such a stupid error, AND that they would realize it's in Cult's favour to kill non-Leader Cultists since then they can convert more.

And I'm vaguely reading Bellaphant as not aligned with Korina, so there's that.

RH9 is still my best bet for Cult Leader. His posts feel like he's genuinely trying to uphold a thread presence, but he's not actually saying anything helpful or Townie.

I don't get any of this? Korina is posting from their pov of someone who seems to love cults, but both enchant (who basically says they have no experience) and nathaan are both scum reading them for it..rh9 also feels like a weird person to pick out, over other low content posterrs?

In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.

I can't be the only one who thinks this post is really temperature sweepy?

In post 114, Nathann wrote:If it's genuine, then I agree with Jacket that he's probably Town.
If it's sarcastic, then I'm not sure if it's AI. I want to say it's Scummy for ignoring my questioning and cutting the conversation short, but I've been wrong on reads like that too many times.

He's misreading the tone of furtive so much, but then again walking back the read. None of it feels like content they are massively behind.

Re my other post , maybe I just can't read enchant? I feel worse about nathaan shading korina and cat in a way that feels based on enchant, if that makes sense.

Nathann · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:32 am

In post 123, Bellaphant wrote:Korina is posting from their pov of someone who seems to love cults

Do you actually believe that Korina's rageposting over having 3 random votes on them is genuine? Do you really think that Korina, who seems to have so much experience in this game, would be knocked so off their balance by three naked votes?

In post 123, Bellaphant wrote:rh9 also feels like a weird person to pick out, over other low content posterrs?

Do you think I'm Scumreading RH9 for "lowposting"? That's not what I said.

In post 123, Bellaphant wrote:He's misreading the tone of furtive so much, but then again walking back the read. None of it feels like content they are massively behind.

It's almost like I said that I wasn't certain in my read there. Which is Scummy because...?