Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Andante]

ok wait, why are ALL the early pav voters the conf town... except skitter?

Ahhhh ok lets try it
VOTE: pavowski

i will sheep you wherever you want to go

VOTE: pavo

We know how well that turns out lol >.>

i think we try our best and if we lose it's not a big deal let's not stress about it

Idk if those are my top scumreads, i said before that i scumread like 2/3 of the game so a lot of things are a big muddle

So i'm trying to look at things from different angles to see if they make more sense that way

I dont have a cohesive explanation for everything that's going on

Ahhhh ok lets try it
VOTE: pavowski

VOTE: pavo

Consider my vote here too.

@ Ydra I think me/skitter are voting for Pavo not Gamma

VOTE: Pav

I've read up but I am too tired atm to really brain correctly and play mafia

It's weird that there's a universal (edit: meuh liked it didn't she) consensus that Marci's reaction to her wagon was poor yet several vote switches away from her?(and a nonvote on skitter's part)

I didn't have a strong read on her reaction to the wagon personally, and Pavowski is a strong elim fmpov but it feels like I have sand in my tights

this is a mood

I might vote Pav tomorrow after sleeping on it but no promises

[Andante]

and like skitter's whole attitue about the wagon is just kinda like "meh who cares" I don't really see like conviction. it's just "votes!" but then, Ari, Titus, GL are all... conf town

[Ydrasse]

VOTE COUNT 3.5

[2]

Meuh

: skitter30, SirCakez

[2]

SirCakez

: GuiltyLion, Meuh

[1]

skitter30

: Isis

[1]

Faker

: Andante

[1]

Coral

: Faker

[4]

Not voting

: Aristeia, marcistar, Titus, Coral

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-06-29 23:42:43)

MOD NOTES

• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• GuiltyLion and SirCakez currently V/LA.

• have fun!

[Aristeia]

and like skitter's whole attitue about the wagon is just kinda like "meh who cares" I don't really see like conviction. it's just "votes!" but then, Ari, Titus, GL are all... conf town

isn't that just how skitter plays?

she likes to vote people and see what happens?

I rarely see her vote someone and start pounding the table with conviction.

[Andante]

and like skitter's whole attitue about the wagon is just kinda like "meh who cares" I don't really see like conviction. it's just "votes!" but then, Ari, Titus, GL are all... conf town

isn't that just how skitter plays?

she likes to vote people and see what happens?

I rarely see her vote someone and start pounding the table with conviction.

ok, but then why did all of the next people saying "I'd vote pav" become conf towns? like, why not include skitter with those?

[Faker]

ok actually just looking into that real quick. cause anyone else I'd automatically go "Faker town" but here? this could be pav distancing?

I can't tell if "anyone else" is referring to me or referring to Pav, no offense to Pav but I think he'd agree his scumgame atm is still weak. I don't even think you've seen mine, lmao

[Faker]

At some point I'm going to have to just put together the first single-post case I've made in fucking years against Worst/Coral only to have Isis completely ignore it and I'm going to mald

[Andante]

ok actually just looking into that real quick. cause anyone else I'd automatically go "Faker town" but here? this could be pav distancing?

I can't tell if "anyone else" is referring to me or referring to Pav, no offense to Pav but I think he'd agree his scumgame atm is still weak. I don't even think you've seen mine, lmao

lol ok shhh like, "anyone else" is like, name I don't recognize.. like, Pav? definitely could be distancing? but like, LOL how you're like "you haven't seen scum!me" has me thinking you're definitely town, it's not distancing.

What do you think of skitter being scum here?

Cause like, ALL of the first people to vote Pav are the ones who became conf town... but not skitter...

[Andante]

ah you're thinking worst/coral....

I was thinking it's skitter and cakez

[Andante]

VOTE: skitter

[Aristeia]

and like skitter's whole attitue about the wagon is just kinda like "meh who cares" I don't really see like conviction. it's just "votes!" but then, Ari, Titus, GL are all... conf town

isn't that just how skitter plays?

she likes to vote people and see what happens?

I rarely see her vote someone and start pounding the table with conviction.

ok, but then why did all of the next people saying "I'd vote pav" become conf towns? like, why not include skitter with those?

Well if skitter is mafia because mafia can't become conftown.

and if skitter is town because the mafia decided that she is elimmable.

[Faker]

I'm pretty sure skitter is town from her interactions with Aristeia, I can't remember the page range off the top of my head but my guess would be in the 40s.

I think leaving her uncleared is fine for scum, there is virtually always doubt on account of who she is. I have 1/2 concerns to revisit but right now I would not vote her and am vaguely frustrated that Isis is shoving her.

[Andante]

and like skitter's whole attitue about the wagon is just kinda like "meh who cares" I don't really see like conviction. it's just "votes!" but then, Ari, Titus, GL are all... conf town

isn't that just how skitter plays?

she likes to vote people and see what happens?

I rarely see her vote someone and start pounding the table with conviction.

ok, but then why did all of the next people saying "I'd vote pav" become conf towns? like, why not include skitter with those?

Well if skitter is mafia because mafia can't become conftown.

and if skitter is town because the mafia decided that she is elimmable.

Ok, but none of yall seem to be thinking about skitter being maf? and for that matter, most of yall seem to be doing almost nothing game related...

[Faker]

Cakez is my runner-up vote but I still have plenty to work back over, and there is a good chance I just outright have to deal with the entire table refusing to vote a blatantly scum player and find a partner that is magically less obvious but more palatable.

[Aristeia]

Ok, but none of yall seem to be thinking about skitter being maf? and for that matter, most of yall seem to be doing almost nothing game related...

I think Meuh, Isis and Coral have all said they think Skitter is mafia.

Not sure on Coral. Definitely maybe.

I don't think she's mafia but I could always be wrong :<

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure skitter is town from her interactions with Aristeia, I can't remember the page range off the top of my head but my guess would be in the 40s.

I think leaving her uncleared is fine for scum, there is virtually always doubt on account of who she is. I have 1/2 concerns to revisit but right now I would not vote her and am vaguely frustrated that Isis is shoving her.

hmm ok, so if she's town, Pav went over with 0 maf on that wagon? like, I know it's not beneficial AT ALL for maf to lim one of themselves early.. hmm maybe just voting off wagon would work..

[Faker]

No offense but I spent about ~8 hours reading skitter's ISO and her real-time interactions with multiple players, in addition to my own interactions with her.

Isis has probably put in similar if not more. Aristeia has put in similar if not more.

Check yourself on the idea that no one else is trying or thinking about reading her.

[Andante]

Cakez is my runner-up vote but I still have plenty to work back over, and there is a good chance I just outright have to deal with the entire table refusing to vote a blatantly scum player and find a partner that is magically less obvious but more palatable.

I got you! I believe in you being town! so worst/coral is your number 1 pick here?

[Faker]

Correct.

[Andante]

No offense but I spent about ~8 hours reading skitter's ISO and her real-time interactions with multiple players, in addition to my own interactions with her.

Isis has probably put in similar if not more. Aristeia has put in similar if not more.

Check yourself on the idea that no one else is trying or thinking about reading her.

ok ok!!! everyone was spamming about whatever video game.. my bad!! I'm trying here!!

[Faker]

3459, 3676, and 3677 are good starting points for why I scumread the Coral/Worst slot and do not find counters persuasive.

I would also really look at the Pavowski vote progression of 316 and 321. He says worst's vote on the Meuh wagon is the worst (hue) of the bunch, but then votes Gamma (my slot) instead because he wants to vote on the Meuh wagon. It is a bonafide top 10 worst distancing attempts moment.

[Faker]

Sorry, 316 and 318. 321 is something else.

[Faker]

It doesn't matter much but I think 8 hours on skitter was overkill, probably closer to 5 or 6.

[Faker]

Looking again at 318, it is quoting a vote from Meuh and attempting to tag-along. Perhaps seeking a wagon somewhat mitigates how terrible this looks.

[Andante]

actually how about this
VOTE: the ugly fruit
hasn't done much but what he has done, I'm not a big fan of

VOTE: TUF actually this one speaks to my soul a little

Taking advantage of the "easy lim" like, you can't tell me my slot wasn't gonna be an easy push for scum, like, we saw the opportunity, and were like "yeah!" oh wait, yeah, like, to go from SRing gamma, to jumping on this wagon WITH gamma is like, you don't do that... usually if you SR someone you don't trust who their voting, and here Gamma just goes "TUF has done nothing" and worst just follows...
(LMAOOO I DIDN'T SEE YOU QUOTED THE EXACT SAME VOTES)

yo wait... people just ignored all this after Faker said it, this whole thing is really good

What is meuh even doing here
ignores the first like "hey the worst is maf here!!"

3474 meuh does this "if coral town/if coral maf" thing.. but the reasonings aren't really balanced... "if town: stamp of approval" "if scum: (reasoning you haven't ruled out)"
(it sounds like meuh believes coral maf in 3474... but then
3475: I don't wanna vote cakez
3479: coral is town


ok and reading the rest of what Faker pointed me to, I literally agree with all of it.. like, the worst/coral is DEFINITELY maf here, like, yeah... I wanna see the towncase reasons, cause what I'm seeing here isn't towny