Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[implosion]

i'll take it.

[Datisi]

ari, why is baltar scum to you?

[Aristeia]

he feels like he's trying to be "sensible" and that's a scum tell for him.

[Aristeia]

~75% of the reason I want to murder him has to do with jealousy and because I think it'd be funny.

If he's mafia too that's just a bonus tbh

[fireisredsir]

implo reads not at all like how he did in my previous game with him, where i incorrectly scumread him. maybe its the new avatar or the fact that the other game had a lot of mech stuff to talk about, but if i didn't see the name i would think this was a completely different person

im not really sure what to make of that

[Datisi]

yeah i figured, though i assumed there's at least some Actual Read in the vote

when did you start feeling he's being "sensible"? i only got that vibe from his most recent posts towards me

@fire, what game was that?

[fireisredsir]

he feels like he's trying to be "sensible" and that's a scum tell for him.

i don't really get this impression, which posts make you think that?

he seems the usual amount of not that sensible to me. maybe he's just trying and not succeeding tho

[fireisredsir]

@fire, what game was that?

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[implosion]

implo reads not at all like how he did in my previous game with him, where i incorrectly scumread him. maybe its the new avatar or the fact that the other game had a lot of mech stuff to talk about, but if i didn't see the name i would think this was a completely different person

im not really sure what to make of that

I absolutely would have scumread me that game if it had been a regular game, iirc I was thinking so at the time. Like, my posting patterns and everything. I honestly was playing like,

drastically

closer to my scum meta than my town meta, because I was a muse. It felt like I needed to sort of "pick my battles" and make a conscious decision about which opinions I'd say and when so as to not give anything away.

[Aristeia]

why do you think scum!him avoid you again?

Cause I posed an awkward opener (I'm not masons with datisi), and engaging with that conversation is potentially uncomfortable for scum, who I suspect would not want to openly talk about masons for fear of being called rolefishers.

why do you think scum!him avoid you again?

Cause I posed an awkward opener (I'm not masons with datisi), and engaging with that conversation is potentially uncomfortable for scum, who I suspect would not want to openly talk about masons for fear of being called rolefishers.

ah yes, towntisi, the creature widely known for loving to engage in awkward conversations, and potentially tip off scum on their masonry status.

Maybe I have a higher opinion of your ability to game the game as town.

What bugs me is you're arguing kind of two things here. 1) That engaging with me on that topic could have been awkward as town, and therefore you avoided it. And 2) you intentionally ignored me because you were reaction testing if that was would annoy me.

Is that an accurate representation of what you're saying?

okay, i don't think my reads have dramatically changed in the last few pages

main thing that annoys me is that baltar is pushing me for things i'm pretty sure he knows is false. which like, wouldn't be the first time i get pushed for nonsense. but my issue there is that there seems to be a lack of... an overarching thought process behind the push. it's just throwing a mudfling after mudfling.

i'd be interesting in hearing why @implo is voting there, though, since i'm p sure he's not aware of this sorta meta.

a few other things i'm keeping an eye out on, but i wanna let them develop naturally first.

aight, gotta run. will be checking in periodically today, depending on how busy the workday will be. try to not have too much fun without me.

I don't think there is any lack of thought process. I've explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly actually. What do you think is mudslinging exactly?

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

like these don't make sense to me but I guess plausibly they could make sense to someone else?

[Datisi]

ah, that weird setup

not going to even pretend to read that

[fireisredsir]

implo reads not at all like how he did in my previous game with him, where i incorrectly scumread him. maybe its the new avatar or the fact that the other game had a lot of mech stuff to talk about, but if i didn't see the name i would think this was a completely different person

im not really sure what to make of that

I absolutely would have scumread me that game if it had been a regular game, iirc I was thinking so at the time. Like, my posting patterns and everything. I honestly was playing like,

drastically

closer to my scum meta than my town meta, because I was a muse. It felt like I needed to sort of "pick my battles" and make a conscious decision about which opinions I'd say and when so as to not give anything away.

ok thats a good point, the whole muse thing could account for a lot of that difference, and i think that is exactly the sort of difference i was thinking of

[Something_Smart]

I never understand how people read S_S because he feels like he does nothing as both alignments fairly consistently to me

I'm always happy to look into things addressed to me, if you feel like hearing my thoughts on any particular thing would help sort me. Just bear in mind that the vaguer the question the vaguer the answer.

[Datisi]

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

[Aristeia]

like if you think about what he's saying in 266.

He's saying you'd be uncomfortable as scum answering because "rolefishing" except like town is kind of uncomfortable answering a mason question too, and masons are even more uncomfortable answering a mason question so it's weird to me that he jumps to the conclusion you're doing it because you're mafia.

and he's kind of rolefishing while saying it's bad to rolefish ?

[Something_Smart]

On the contrary, I think he's appearing to rolefish while saying scum don't want to appear to rolefish.

[Aristeia]

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

Ok but they

could

make sense to him.

Like scum!baltar makes up shit that he thinks a town person would believe is rational. [a]

but town!baltar just writes down whatever he's

actually

thinking.

and I find [a] to usually be more reasonable than

and his posting feels closer to [a] than

for me.

[Aristeia]

like [a] and

both feel very unreasonable to me,

but [a] feels closer to reasonable than

does.

and I think his posting is closer to reasonable than completely unreasonable.

[Datisi]

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

Ok but they

could

make sense to him.

Like scum!baltar makes up shit that he thinks a town person would believe is rational. [a]

but town!baltar just writes down whatever he's

actually

thinking.

and I find [a] to usually be more reasonable than

and his posting feels closer to [a] than

for me.

oh, i see

idk, i think those posts don't fit into either category because i find it difficult to see scum!baltar thinking they make sense to someone else OR town!baltar actually thinking them

maybe i have too much meta poisoning my mind and it's different for The Average Mafia Player, but also those posts were kind of aimed at me so /shrug

[Aristeia]

the thought process behind it feels forced into you having to attack me

I don't understand why you think I would be forced into attacking you as scum. I don't see what I gain.

like this type of self defense is "why would I do that if I'm mafia"

which is kind of ???? to me.

it should be self evident to him that he wants to be townread when he's mafia.

so doing things that don't make sense for him to do as mafia will get him townread sometimes.

thus why not do such things?

It's a similar vein to "mafia don't want to rolefish for masons cuz its susp, but I'm going to rolefish for masons because I'm fearless and not mafia"

like um lol no?

[Datisi]

i mean, that one post is even worse when you take into account that like 3(?) days ago, he was like "i'm gonna fucken yeet you when the game starts" in a chat

but also like, i'm tempted to move past this because i feel like the conversation is not going to give anything else useful to me, and it's also not going to help me convince anyone else of a read on baltar

though feel free to keep at it if you're getting any value out of it, obviously

[Aristeia]

he was like "i'm gonna fucken yeet you when the game starts" in a chat

we should kill him for this alone

[Datisi]

it's ok, i told him the same thing

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

do you want this next pagetop <3 ?