Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[Datisi]

sure!

[Aristeia]

tell me you're town again Dats <3

[Something_Smart]

it should be self evident to him that he wants to be townread when he's mafia.

Yeah, and? His whole argument is that he doesn't expect to be townread for doing the thing, so he wouldn't do it as mafia. I don't see the issue.

[Datisi]

tell me you're town again Dats <3

i'm finally town again and i really hope you are too so that we can win this game together <3

[Gamma Emerald]

i think andante is probably town for now, the way she sometimes gets knocked down a little by someone finding her suspicious or something but she keeps popping back up anyway makes me feel like she's excited to be here and solve things. still think the fear of wagons early was weird but ive wrongly scumread town andante for a very similar feeling in the past

datisi feels like town to me, probably. mild worry that it could be bc he's going out of his way to seem town, but we'll save that for later, he can be town for now

gamma feels a little scummy to me, feels more like trying to establish presence than hunt scum

still think penguin's posting was awkward but the read feels too much like certain early reads of mine that often end up being wrong for me to care strongly about it

i don't think i really have strong feelings on anyone else yet. in general not a lot has stood out for me from this game so far, which is kinda odd, but happens sometimes. maybe i should feel some sort of connection to gamma feeling similarly re: blandness and townread him for that, idk

this description of me feels apt but do you have any opinions on anything I've said thus far?

[Aristeia]

tell me you're town again Dats <3

i'm finally town again and i really hope you are too so that we can win this game together <3

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Gamma Emerald]

he feels like he's trying to be "sensible" and that's a scum tell for him.

how is VP being sensible a scumtell?

[Aristeia]

I find town him to be more abrasive in general.

[VP Baltar]

why is andante scum and why am i wrong to townread her?

She's had some misreads of the game state and conversations I find concerning. You had the whole backing off Fire out of concern it was getting too serious too fast. You have her launching into pre-emptive defense mode when I asked if she had hut meta. It's obviously hard to separate signal from the noise with her, but I usually find her instincts good even if I disagree with how she approaches the game. Here, I'm not finding a lot of instinctual stuff from her I'm liking.

I think people are tone reading her as town, but from games I've played with people who say they have good meta from her, IDK if you can necessarily use tone to tell alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

Ok but they

could

make sense to him.

Like scum!baltar makes up shit that he thinks a town person would believe is rational. [a]

but town!baltar just writes down whatever he's

actually

thinking.

and I find [a] to usually be more reasonable than

and his posting feels closer to [a] than

for me.

like [a] and

both feel very unreasonable to me,

but [a] feels closer to reasonable than

does.

and I think his posting is closer to reasonable than completely unreasonable.

this is a lot of theory, can you illustrate how his posting fits this specifically?

[VP Baltar]

because I think it'd be funny.

best reason to yeet me, tbh

[Aristeia]

I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

Ok but they

could

make sense to him.

Like scum!baltar makes up shit that he thinks a town person would believe is rational. [a]

but town!baltar just writes down whatever he's

actually

thinking.

and I find [a] to usually be more reasonable than

and his posting feels closer to [a] than

for me.

like [a] and

both feel very unreasonable to me,

but [a] feels closer to reasonable than

does.

and I think his posting is closer to reasonable than completely unreasonable.

this is a lot of theory, can you illustrate how his posting fits this specifically?

Well if you read his iso in this game, it feels like he's trying to be reasonable.

[VP Baltar]

he was like "i'm gonna fucken yeet you when the game starts" in a chat

we should kill him for this alone

so jealous

[Aristeia]

Gamma if you're interested in reading a few VP Baltar ISOs:

KTANE[Mafia]: viewtopic.php?t=89120&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Lake Melancholy[Town]: viewtopic.php?t=89302&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Bunnies[Town]:viewtopic.php?t=88600&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go


The two town isos are a lot more spitbally/ hit multiple tonal points, just throwing shit everywhere to interact and it's very flowy and loose.

whereas the scum!iso is very "trying to look like he's doing shit that's reasonable and protown"

[VP Baltar]

I don't quite even follow this "vp is saying outlandish shit about datisi, but also he's very reasonable". That doesn't even make sense internally.

[Aristeia]

I guess the easiest way to summarize this is.

Scum!Baltar tries to look town

whereas Town!Baltar doesn't really care and is just having lots of fun doing whatever he wants.

and I think he's closer to trying to look town than having fun doing whatever he wants.

[Andante]

NOO I WAS DOING SOMETHING AND MISSED PEOPLE I WANTED TO TALK TO!!!

Bad at scum I think? Maybe I'm substituting in "easy to read" for that incorrectly.

Also, I wanna clear up I do NOT think

SS's (hmmm too many S's...)

Something_Smart's scum game is bad, he may have fooled me once, and seemed towny /very tryhard when I was his partner, but I think I have him figured out this game.... if he's town lol, if he's maf I literally give up trying, but I believe he should be town!!! I mean, 10/13 odds he's town!!!

why is andante scum and why am i wrong to townread her?

She's had some misreads of the game state and conversations I find concerning. You had the whole backing off Fire out of concern it was getting too serious too fast. You have her launching into pre-emptive defense mode when I asked if she had hut meta. It's obviously hard to separate signal from the noise with her, but I usually find her instincts good even if I disagree with how she approaches the game. Here, I'm not finding a lot of instinctual stuff from her I'm liking.

I think people are tone reading her as town, but from games I've played with people who say they have good meta from her, IDK if you can necessarily use tone to tell alignment.

Why are you like overly cautious of me? when you have almost no one else doing much? so shouldn't you just go "ok gonna assume andante town, see where this goes, and evaluate later if needbe" ?? like, if someone is doing a lot, I'll just assume they're town and work with them for finding scum.. instead you're all "CAN'T TRUST ANDANTE. SHE MAF!" like what? you, yourself aren't doing too much, instead just tunneling in on the people who talk a lot, have you ever considered trying to engage with anyone other than me or datisi this game?
I guess you kinda are with Ari now.. but like, ehhh

[Aristeia]

I also kind of think town!baltar would've brought up that I have an absolutely abysmal track record of reading him by this point because (I have an absolutely abysmal track record at reading him)

but I think scum!him forgot about that and is just saying I'm doing it because I'm jealous(I am jealous that's true)

[Gamma Emerald]

I also kind of think town!baltar would've brought up that I have an absolutely abysmal track record of reading him by this point because (I have an absolutely abysmal track record at reading him)

but I think scum!him forgot about that and is just saying I'm doing it because I'm jealous(I am jealous that's true)

this I can understand

[fireisredsir]

this description of me feels apt but do you have any opinions on anything I've said thus far?

not really, the only thing that stood out was the comment about things being bland, which i can relate to on some level

none of the rest really felt like anything that anyone else would care about following up on, myself included, and that on its own is a little bit scummy as well. not that the thoughts don't matter, just that they seem p inoffensive and unengaging. you asked andante about her read on me and then answered your own question by reading further. you asked her about SS in 356 and when she responded you gave the most noncommittal reaction of all time with "eh i can see it"

it kinda feels like you're just going through the motions. which tbh isn't 100% scummy to feel that way if you found the game uninspiring, i did too a bit, but what i found scummy was that it seemed like you felt an obligation to do it anyway. that can come from town too but i think its more likely to come from scum

[Andante]

Town!Baltar doesn't really care and is just having lots of fun doing whatever he wants.

that has never been my experience. Town him is usually yelling... a lot, scum him is just "hey look I'm nice!!" which was why like KTANE, day 1 there was a point like "hold up, he's too nice here" but yeah, your desciption of town/scum VP do NOT line up with the VP I'm aware of lol. now... are you his scumpartner... or is it just you maf trying to pocket him? either way I don't by any of this, plus I was SRing you earlier, and I'm gonna take a wild guess you saw and this is the "effort" in your posts.... describing meta to us... instead of actually reading VP this game

VOTE: Aristeia

[Andante]

forget what I said earlier, fire is town

[VP Baltar]

Tbh I'm like, a little bit surprised that VP hasn't attacked me back yet, as town or as scum. I think it surprises me a little more if he's town; I kind of expected to be lumped in as the third in his Andante/Datisi/??? solve with how I've acted toward those slots. The way he's been acting toward my slot feels maybe scum-indicative; he's engaging with me some but also kind of ignoring substantive engagement with me. I don't think it's super indicative of anything up to this point but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm by no means like sold on VP scum or anything.

Why would I just attack you back?

While I do see you lining up with Datisi, I don't see you lining up with andante necessarily (despite that weird sort of exchange you two had), and she is my lead pick for scum here so far. What substantive things would you like to engage on? I didn't get a lot from your posts toward me.


pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

[fireisredsir]

forget what I said earlier, fire is town

is it bc i posted a big paragraph that you looked at and went "uhhh wow" and moved on

[Gamma Emerald]

this description of me feels apt but do you have any opinions on anything I've said thus far?

not really, the only thing that stood out was the comment about things being bland, which i can relate to on some level

none of the rest really felt like anything that anyone else would care about following up on, myself included, and that on its own is a little bit scummy as well. not that the thoughts don't matter, just that they seem p inoffensive and unengaging. you asked andante about her read on me and then answered your own question by reading further. you asked her about SS in 356 and when she responded you gave the most noncommittal reaction of all time with "eh i can see it"

it kinda feels like you're just going through the motions. which tbh isn't 100% scummy to feel that way if you found the game uninspiring, i did too a bit, but what i found scummy was that it seemed like you felt an obligation to do it anyway. that can come from town too but i think its more likely to come from scum

I said I could see the S_S read after doing an ISO, maybe I should have been more clear about that
also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here