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FancyPants he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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@Loftwing, I'm having trouble following you.
Is this a fair characterization of your behaviour:
- You voted Kenny because he "didn't say anything of substance despite saying many things." 168
- You unvote once Kenny admit's that he wasn't saying anything of substance and was just making random comments about the game (207), this was enough to put your mind at ease and unvote him.
If I am incorrectly interpreting your posts, please treat me like I'm stupid and explain your thought process clearly.
@Kennyk, I'd still like you to follow up on post 190 please.-
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I am trying again to explain, why FancyPants push on me feels wierd (especially the early phase of it):
The game starts and Eira votes three times in the same amount of hours. It is RVS and so this might be Eiras way of trying to see how people react to votes on them or just to get things going. It is NAI in my eyes, as this could either be scum or town. My (more or less funny) comment was just a thing I had to do. If I see a fun thing to post, I need to post it. Yes, it had some substance to it, as it pointed at Eira voting thrice in three hours. But if it wasn't for the "beings of fate whispered" thing in Eiras post and the (bad) pun I could make of it, I wouldn't have posted it at all.
Then you voted me without explanation, which was fine at the time (still RVS). You later claim to have voted me because of thet post, but still give no further explanation. This was wierd in my eyes, as I haven't done anything in that post to deserve a vote. If you had said you voted me because of said post and because of the lack of a stance concerning Eira, I would have at least understood, why that post made you vote me. I wouldn't have agreed, but at least understood you.
You also stated, that my first post had an air of appeasement. I absolutely don't see what you mean by that. In my first post I had nostalgic feelings because of the game flavour and did a random vote on Mala with a bit of flavour in it. This all looked so much like an effort to make a case out of thin air, that I think is more scum than town. That's why I voted you.
Yes, I didn't vote BBT. It is because he isn't over my personal line of scumminess (yet).
Postpreview edit: I started to write this post a few hours ago but real life got its own ideas. That's why I am answering now and didn't do it earlier.-
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FancyPants he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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My Quarrel was that they were trying to decieve us into believing that they had something to say regarding their reads, when it was apparent they didn't. While I still may have my suspicions of Kenny, I feel like they are at a similar baseline that everyone else is at. They don't appear to have a bias or an agenda that they are attempting to push.In post 225, FancyPants wrote:@Loftwing, I'm having trouble following you.
Is this a fair characterization of your behaviour:
- You voted Kenny because he "didn't say anything of substance despite saying many things." 168
- You unvote once Kenny admit's that he wasn't saying anything of substance and was just making random comments about the game (207), this was enough to put your mind at ease and unvote him.
If I am incorrectly interpreting your posts, please treat me like I'm stupid and explain your thought process clearly.
@Kennyk, I'd still like you to follow up on post 190 please.-
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Currently they have little credibility in my eyes, and I don't trust a word that comes from their fingers. I would be willing to throw a vote down on them should the current wagons cease to prevail.In post 219, Irrelephant11 wrote:Loftwing what do you think about Confidently Wrong?-
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In my experience, 0% of newb scum are coached. I don't know why, but I've never personally witnessed it.In post 231, FancyPants wrote:Random question to some of the more experienced members in the game, I've never played in a game with Mafia day talk, how does this usually affect games if at all?
My current worry is that newb scum could be "coached" out of bad spots, is that common, or am I paranoid?-
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I've remained unimpressed with what I've seen so far. Off the top of my head, I don't have any particularly strong reads on anyone, and I'd have to re-read the game again for analysis.
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I mean as townies we should all have an agenda, to find scum.In post 233, Loftwing wrote: My Quarrel was that they were trying to decieve us into believing that they had something to say regarding their reads, when it was apparent they didn't. While I still may have my suspicions of Kenny, I feel like they are at a similar baseline that everyone else is at. They don't appear to have a bias or an agenda that they are attempting to push.
For the record when I have time I'm going to go through some of your games to see if this absolute pussyfooting behaviour is normal for town Loftwing.-
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I haven't had that much experience with this either (one scum game with daytalk and one as part of a masonry, which could be seen similar). I would say the answer is "it depends".In post 231, FancyPants wrote:Random question to some of the more experienced members in the game, I've never played in a game with Mafia day talk, how does this usually affect games if at all?
My current worry is that newb scum could be "coached" out of bad spots, is that common, or am I paranoid?
In the masonry I played, we did a lot of daytalk about different things. But mostly it was about steup and scum speculation. Neither of us was in a bad spot though.
The scum game I did, mostly had daytalk about how to exploit the setup (we were informed about the roles as part of the setup). There was no talk about "how to get out of a situation". but I would guess, that that is a possibility for scum to do, too.
Scum daytalk enables them to coordinate their attacks, so they could either form a front against one player or each vote on a different player. They could even try and set up some form of gambit in which they sacrifice one of them in return for towncred for another scummy. In general, with daytalk all the scum tactics could be done more effectively (if done right).-
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Kenny is scum.In post 232, FancyPants wrote:Also for reference I'm liking scum in:
{Loftwing/Kenny/Lowell/Malakittens}
Increasing the net would add {BBT, and maybe Eira}
This is also extremely rude. If there is any town block, I'll be in it and that's the end of that.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Like to elaborate why you are so sure, that I am scum?In post 240, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Kenny is scum.In post 232, FancyPants wrote:Also for reference I'm liking scum in:
{Loftwing/Kenny/Lowell/Malakittens}
Increasing the net would add {BBT, and maybe Eira}
This is also extremely rude. If there is any town block, I'll be in it and that's the end of that.-
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Wild that you can read this very thread and walk away without readsIn post 236, Loftwing wrote:I've remained unimpressed with what I've seen so far. Off the top of my head, I don't have any particularly strong reads on anyone, and I'd have to re-read the game again for analysis.
Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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You don't have to be like "this person is DEFINITELY SCUM" to have helpful reads. You can just compare, say, kenny and fancypants, who are voting each other, and pick a side. Voila, you've got a townread. You can figure out who's done the least that's towny to you. Voila, you've got a scumread. Nothing so far??
Can't decide if town being stubborn or scum trying to seem towny by audacityHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 224, MalcolmTucker wrote:I'm not even sure it's that you're playing "weirdly" though, it's just that you're incredibly willing to hand out a free townread early on without much of a reason for doing so. I understand meta will often come into games and that's fine, but your posts could easily read as an opportunistic attempt to cosy up to Shoshin and get on her side early on if she's town and you're not.In post 208, Irrelephant11 wrote:I will probably explain better at a later date.
This is fair. Does it make you think I'm scum trying to prop up a partner? Or just town who's likely to be wrong? Because, if the latter, it's only dangerous if you think one of my three townreads is scum. Let me know if you think so at any point.In post 224, MalcolmTucker wrote:Your townblock, for what it's worth, gives me a similar fear...we're not that long into the game, I'm wary to put too much faith and trust in anyone at this stage.
Realistically I don't think we'll manage a consensus 5-6 person townblock with 0 scum. But I do think we can make one with, at most, 1 scum. And that's a pretty valuable potential town tool.
Like I get your paranoia but do you disagree with the concept of a townblock or just that i've picked three names already?Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Do you, uh, have any actual reasons for your thoughts?In post 247, Lowell wrote:I'm caught up. Kenny, Cats, malcolm fine for lynch. fancy begrudgingly town, mala town, irrelephant town, toffee town I guess.-
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kenny reminds me of every day 1 scumflip I've ever participated in, and I think a *lot* has to change from that slot for me to *not* vote there by the end of the game day.
On the other hand, I don't really expect much to change from kenny, and there's always a chance he's town (and there's 2 more scum to find) so I'd rather pressure other slots for a bitHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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