Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[VP Baltar]

Hey malakittens, you going to join us?

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.04

Vulture (3):

Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Andante

VP Baltar (2):

implosion, Aristeia

Andante (1):

VP Baltar

Datisi (1):

GeorgeBailey

Gamma Emerald (1)

: fireisredsir

hutmeil (1):

Datisi

Not Voting (4):

hutmeil, Malakittens, Something_Smart, Vulture

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is July 8 at 5:00 PM EST.

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Notes:

PenguinPower is V/LA on weekends.

[fireisredsir]

i didn't find VP's case on andante to be super convincing (like, yes, they are true things that he pointed out, but i don't really see why they are more likely to come from scum andante)

andante's response is not really what i would expect though, so hmm

[Andante]

hmm

hmmmmmmm

[Aristeia]

But that doesn't change the fact that you didn't seem to want to make an effort or even interact with me at all.

I didn't think 390 or 402 were productive to answer, is there a conversation about something you are very interested in?

[Something_Smart]

Weird that you didn't think it was productive to respond to me when I was clearly trying to engage you but you thought 398, 399, and 401 were productive.

[Aristeia]

so what do you actually want to talk to me about?

[Aristeia]

I don't think every post I make is productive.

Lots of posts I make are just to have fun.

I don't flirt with Dats to sort him, I flirt with him because I enjoy flirting with him and I like to do things that I enjoy.

[Something_Smart]

so what do you actually want to talk to me about?

Nothing. I want to talk to Vulture about you.

[Aristeia]

ok because you're complaining that I'm not engaging with you and I'm here to answer anything you want to ask me and you um don't seem to actually want to converse.

[Andante]

Ari, and SS, what are yall's thoughts on VP's case on me?

[Something_Smart]

ok because you're complaining that I'm not engaging with you and I'm here to answer anything you want to ask me and you um don't seem to actually want to converse.

I mean, you didn't want to talk about my conversation points when they were relevant. What makes me think you'd want to talk about them now?

[Aristeia]

it's not very good because the basis of it is that Town!Andante is sensible and Scum!Andante is not sensible and that's just not true in my experience.

[Aristeia]

ok because you're complaining that I'm not engaging with you and I'm here to answer anything you want to ask me and you um don't seem to actually want to converse.

I mean, you didn't want to talk about my conversation points when they were relevant. What makes me think you'd want to talk about them now?

because I'm literally asking you what you want to talk about?

[VP Baltar]

it's not very good because the basis of it is that Town!Andante is sensible and Scum!Andante is not sensible and that's just not true in my experience.

That's not the basis in the slightest.

[VP Baltar]

Me, pointing out that is not the point I'm making.

I don't think this is 100% because it's very hard to read what is real aloofness from andante, and what's bad faith. I wouldn't even be on this so much if it didn't seem to keep happening throughout the game.

[VP Baltar]

There is a difference between not making sense, and making bad faith arguments/being overly defensive.

[Andante]

Me, pointing out that is not the point I'm making.

I don't think this is 100% because it's very hard to read what is real aloofness from andante, and what's bad faith. I wouldn't even be on this so much if it didn't seem to keep happening throughout the game.

well just ask for clarification on bad faith stuff? cause I guarantee you, nothing I've said this game has been "bad faith"

[Andante]

There is a difference between not making sense, and making bad faith arguments/being overly defensive.

maybe I just don't make sense? and actually, where have I been overly defensive?

[VP Baltar]

There is a difference between not making sense, and making bad faith arguments/being overly defensive.

maybe I just don't make sense? and actually, where have I been overly defensive?

I'm not going to repeat what I just said. You can easily look at the case if you want to see where I think you're over defensive.

As far as not making sense, do the things you're saying not make sense to you? Because if no, then that isn't really a legitimate defense.

[Something_Smart]

because I'm literally asking you what you want to talk about?

Well, okay, let's talk about 394 then. I feel like I have a decent sense, as scum, of what things I shouldn't do because they'll attract primarily negative attention. And that sense is absent as town-- it almost never enters the equation. Probably because I have some amount of faith in the scumhunting skill of the people I'm playing with, that I assume that if I keep saying genuine things as town people will more often than not eventually read me town for it.

I can only speak for myself, but I would imagine that at least some other people are like this? It's hard to imagine not having that sense as scum, I guess I can imagine also having it as town but I'm sure many people don't.

So I think that it's a reasonable defense, or at least, the claim deserves to be looked at specifically rather than just dismissed in the abstract.

[Andante]

do the things you're saying not make sense to you?

uh everything I say makes perfect sense to me? it's always does, but I understand why/where people get confused. like whatever I said to implosion, I distinctly remember taking the time to make it as clear as possible, then he just blew it off basically, soooo yeah. that's that... like, if we just wanna discuss Andante.. we're going to get no where. I am town. I'm interested in finding mafia. Would love to join you on the hunt

[Datisi]

because I'm literally asking you what you want to talk about?

Well, okay, let's talk about 394 then. I feel like I have a decent sense, as scum, of what things I shouldn't do because they'll attract primarily negative attention. And that sense is absent as town-- it almost never enters the equation. Probably because I have some amount of faith in the scumhunting skill of the people I'm playing with, that I assume that if I keep saying genuine things as town people will more often than not eventually read me town for it.

I can only speak for myself, but I would imagine that at least some other people are like this? It's hard to imagine not having that sense as scum, I guess I can imagine also having it as town but I'm sure many people don't.

So I think that it's a reasonable defense, or at least, the claim deserves to be looked at specifically rather than just dismissed in the abstract.

what is the reason that *this* is something you chose to talk about, (i'm assuming) of all things?

[Something_Smart]

Ari, and SS, what are yall's thoughts on VP's case on me?

It's an average case, which is to say, entirely uncompelling.

[VP Baltar]

I TR you Vulture!!

Also, was this genuine when you said it? If so, what changed for you?

@andante^