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gooood morning friends, guess who slept through their alarm and was almost late for work
mala's reads are like. meh. i'm not overly impressed. mostly wanna hear more about the dats/ari read because it's like. unexplained. though i will take a skim through a scum and town mala iso when i get the chance
baltar, did you like any of the stuff she posted, or is the unvote purely a "she's playing the game" thing?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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In post 971, hutmeil wrote:Which part did I misrep? I do understand his request for me to comment on his posts instead of his early d1 suggestion which I will do later. I'm just commenting now so I won't get buried in another 10 pages of posts.
You asked for "can you make a readslist? doesn't have to be overly long or detailed, i just wanna see the cliffnotes on where you stand on people and why" in 806 and that's what I gave you . Do you have a specific slot you want info on?theyasked you to think about how likely is it that the argument they made makes them scum vs makes them town, on a more profound level than simply "this strategy benefits scum therefore the person who suggested it is scum"
your response was "i don't do meta", which is... not what they asked. at all.
cliffnotes means you don't have to write an essay for each slot, but i wanna know the rough of why you're reading slots the way you're reading them. "these people are scumhunting" tells me approximately nothing what you think about them (not to mention that "scumhunting" is trivial to fake as scum), "these people are townie" tells me even less.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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people who have more experience with the penguin: is the activity level ai for him on d1? ime, he usually gets townread on d1, and the one time i was using "yeah, this sounds like penguin" to townread him, he turned out to be scum, so i probably shouldn't do thatI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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hi gamma
what's the hottest take on the game you have right nowI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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<3In post 975, Datisi wrote:gooood morning friends, guess who slept through their alarm and was almost late for work-
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I think fire could be scum
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I think a demotivated mala scum doesn't do like 6 posts in a row or whatever. She would have made one or two posts and then flaked.In post 975, Datisi wrote:baltar, did you like any of the stuff she posted, or is the unvote purely a "she's playing the game" thing?
Not clearing by any means, but I don't necessarily want her dead today.
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In Ktane, mala was scum with Pooky and me. In that game, she similarly fell behind and it was pure ANGUISH for her to do a catch up post. I felt bad for her because it was obvious in our scum PT that she did not want to. This led to a lot of stall tactics and short, fairly contentless posts as I recall.
Here, I don't see that same dread and stalling. I was getting concerned and applied pressure there to see how she would react. The fact she made several posts (almost bordering on enthusiastic) and theh had actual content in them (regardless of what you think of the content) gave me good feelings she is probably town here.YOUR AD HERE
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Wrt Mala, I’m curious why she hasn’t said anything about Implo, given the fact that she townreads everyone who was voting for her except him. Am on mobile so might have missed it but I see no mention. Maybe she thinks the wagon is valid/expected due to her activity but it’s a strange thing.
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Ok, here's what my current reads are looking like,
VP Baltar - Probbly Town. Just tunneled on me. If he's scum, he knows I'll push him if he's not "fighting anyone" but that's the extent of my read. Almost no confidence in it, but probably just tunneled town? idk, I'm not 1v1ing VP right now
Datisi - Town. He's doing the exact same thing he did in the other game where he starts getting fixed on how people read him. The other town game I'm remembering, he wouldn't leave my read on him alone, and that seems to be what he's doing here. So yeah I'd call Datisi town.
Aristeia - Ehhh Scum lean. So I just can't recall anything from Ari, I pulled up the ISO, and like, lots of talk about me, and lots of not game related datisi stuff, the occasional "X is maf" zero explanation why. and like your gif list thing just felt like how when maf sees a reads list they tend to go "oh I should do that!!" and then they post this list... like your gif list was a buch of "idk..." like, there's no point in either including/doing a list with over half as "???"
GeorgeBailey- Any intentions on playing the game you signed up for?
Gamma Emerald- in 278, gamma decides to call me town, tbh I don't even remember this. Gamma joined VP's tunnel on me. Gamma and VP aren't gonna be scum together, like if anything. 406 Gamma goes "How is VP sensible?!?!" lol that's kinda funny though... made the switch to team!VP... after early comments like this... but as for my read here? idk, I don't really care to go at it with people tunneling me, and when that's 90% of your "content" like, I'm not gonna piece together the few non tunneling me things for a read I'm semi confident in. If Gamma wants to start doing stuff like finding maf, I'll reevaluate, but for now? same boat as VP in terms of how I'm reading them, unless they want to... not tunnel me? What an idea.
Malakittens - Scummy. All yall are like "MALA POSTED!!! SHE'S TOWN!! but like.. she HAD to post to avoid immediate elimination. And then like, she just goes "yeah andante maf. this line sucks" like... 1 post of mine... and like, I definitely didn't mean it how she was saying it, I just don't think she's town. Feels like she's trying to find some "valid reason" to TR me
hutmeil - Scum lean. feels scared to make actual reads, and I'm not sure what exactly it is, but they feel very cautious about what they say, and are all like "I must ISO X" then they'll say something, that's basically already been repeated in thread by someone. So I do have concern here. Either town just unable to get into the game? Or probably scum, and I'm leaning scum.
fireisredsir - Null. I thought 491 was pretty good "the general lack of wagons and voting in this game is kinda weird actually" like yeah... we haven't has an actual wagon that wasn't me or mala, and mala's was just "you didn't post, you're maf" like, no wagons are taking off... weird vibe for sure, I'm not too sure what my read is here, I don't see all the scumminess "everyone" seems to see though, like, this ISO doesn't seem that bad? fire is just chilling at null for me for now, some of these recent posts, I'm just like "I don't see that scumminess you do I guess?"
Something_Smart - Town lean. 486 doesn't really feel like something scum would say, AYYY 541 and 552 are "defending" me I want to say the "Ari conflict" thing around 630 is town indicative, like, calling out Ari saying something was productive.. I want to say SS is the only person I've seen just go "Ari isn't doing anything" like, I even just looked up her ISO, she's really not. Now yes, I haven't done a whole lot either, but no one has actually called me on that yet, but.. my posts have all been relevent to the game itself, like, SS going "not productive" is definitely a good look. and that post about Mala's worrying readslist... yeah but then those reads flip and I become a SR for 1 post.. but uhh yeah in terms of my SS read, I think he's on track for being town here, I'm not super confident in that, but based on what I'm working with here, calling him a town lean feels fine.
implosion - Town Lean. This one might seem shocking, but I liked 973, like, that voiced exactly my thoughts here. Like, we NEED the meaningful conflicts... and they've just all been pointed at me!! like, are people not realizing that? Like, I don't think scum just flat out says "there have been very few meaningful conflicts in which people have become embroiled. At least very few not involving Andante I guess" Like, I think scum would just want the pressure to just stay on me. I'm not 100% sold on implosion town for the moment, but that line, I read it and went like "might be town"
PenguinPower - Scum lean. I liked the gif list, and I could definitely see what your reads were, and like, it showed you've been following along, like, I mostly agreed witht hem at the time. lol idk how you got so many gifs so fast. but good job!! Overall I just want to say town though, like, nothing seems that bad. but like, the 1 penguin "game" I read, you were town and did a lot more voting.. and the fact implosion called that out too has me thinking possibly not town. It's another low confidence read, but like, if I'm looking at a game, where town you was just voting a LOT, and this game, where you're not really voting.. this is probably that thing where scum are conscious of like every action they make, and like in the town game you had lines where like you were giving good thoughts, and actively questioning people's reads. That game... was Open 836, sure it was only part of a game, but like, you're significantly townier there than here.
Vulture - Town Lean. I don't think Vulture has been that bad, I like 868 like "who ACTUALLY TRs Andante" like, sure I'm well aware I haven't been acting super towny this game, that's what happens when I'm being tunneled, but like, I like actually question it, like "why again are we TRing andante? she's not giving reads, and that's usually how she is as scum" OH 901 I AGREE WITH SO MUCH yes!!! hut isn't engaging with the game, and like, instead of sending pressure in hut's direction, people were just like "MALA MAF FOR NOT TALKING!!!" this is definitely my least confident town lean here. I mean, starting this I was like, you slipped down to null, but I think your recent posts have been pretty dang good.
I would probably be down to yeet, hut, GB-if he just wants to keep doing nothing, and Mala-as long as she refuses to answer me.
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oops, I typo'd on the Penguin one, should read
PenguinPower - Scum lean. I liked the gif list, and I could definitely see what your reads were, and like, it showed you've been following along, like, I mostly agreed witht hem at the time. lol idk how you got so many gifs so fast. but good job!! Overall I just want to say not town though, like, nothing seems that bad. but like, the 1 penguin "game" I read, you were town and did a lot more voting.. and the fact implosion called that out too has me thinking possibly not town. It's another low confidence read, but like, if I'm looking at a game, where town you was just voting a LOT, and this game, where you're not really voting.. this is probably that thing where scum are conscious of like every action they make, and like in the town game you had lines where like you were giving good thoughts, and actively questioning people's reads. That game... was Open 836, sure it was only part of a game, but like, you're significantly townier there than here.
I think is what I mean, the issue is gif list happened and I was like "OMG TOWN" cause he had the gifs like ready for that moment! but like, really thinking about it, he's not doing much of anything here, and like in the 70 posts of the town game, he was just significantly better than this, so thus, probably not town here-
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Uhh I believe I was having a good time, got caught up in the moment of just how absurd the SRs on me were. Won't happen again.In post 970, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 704, Andante wrote:
LMAOOOOOOOIn post 703, Gamma Emerald wrote:Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHTIn post 705, Andante wrote:you heard it here first folks... ocho = mafia@Andante what is the intent of these posts?
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In post 987, Gamma Emerald wrote:you can't say I'm not trying to solve if you're going to dodge my attempts to solve you
How is this about trying to solve me? Do you have any thoughts about literally any of the names I put in blue or red?In post 990, Gamma Emerald wrote:what's absurd about VP's opinion on you?-
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Why is George null for you but mala is scummy for lurking?In post 985, Andante wrote:GeorgeBailey - Any intentions on playing the game you signed up for?YOUR AD HERE
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Wasn't expecting this read, but I don't hate it either.In post 985, Andante wrote:Aristeia - Ehhh Scum lean. So I just can't recall anything from Ari, I pulled up the ISO, and like, lots of talk about me, and lots of not game related datisi stuff, the occasional "X is maf" zero explanation why. and like your gif list thing just felt like how when maf sees a reads list they tend to go "oh I should do that!!" and then they post this list... like your gif list was a buch of "idk..." like, there's no point in either including/doing a list with over half as "???"YOUR AD HERE
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mala is scummy for her "read" on meIn post 992, VP Baltar wrote:
Why is George null for you but mala is scummy for lurking?In post 985, Andante wrote:GeorgeBailey - Any intentions on playing the game you signed up for?-
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zzzzzIn post 994, Andante wrote:
mala is scummy for her "read" on meIn post 992, VP Baltar wrote:
Why is George null for you but mala is scummy for lurking?In post 985, Andante wrote:GeorgeBailey - Any intentions on playing the game you signed up for?YOUR AD HERE
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I think this is a fair point for MalaIn post 982, VP Baltar wrote:
I think a demotivated mala scum doesn't do like 6 posts in a row or whatever. She would have made one or two posts and then flaked.In post 975, Datisi wrote:baltar, did you like any of the stuff she posted, or is the unvote purely a "she's playing the game" thing?
Not clearing by any means, but I don't necessarily want her dead today.
The content is~fine~, but it's more the effort I'm looking at.
and I'm trying to solve you because I'm not entirely sold on you being scum yet<Embrace The Void>
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Post 882 I said I'll ISO you so here it is. I'm not responding to all your posts though, just the ones I have some thoughts on.In post 808, Vulture wrote: 2) You think I’m making excuses to lay low, but I’ve also posted after stating my energy levels. Why not engage with my content as it is? Have you read it and do you agree or disagree with my reads, any thoughts?
I'd have to agree on this. Nothing against them but I feel the same way. I guess I just have to get used to it in future games.In post 778, Vulture wrote: To be frank, I think that the dynamic that Datisi and Aristeia cultivate together (or I guess moreso Ari? This isn't being mean just my pov) kind of blocks out other people at times because they're caught up in their thing at times.
Do you still SR Gamma? I think her vote on you was just to get you to talk (or still RVS), so I don't think there's any opportunistic moves there.In post 781, Vulture wrote:
The only vote that I think could come from scum right now is Gamma.In post 609, VP Baltar wrote: Do you think this is a town or scum driven wagon on you?
Gamma feels... nyeh? Opportunistic I guess with the vote on me and the interaction with Andante, I think focusing on something like she did is pretty trivial to do and is like, a nitpicky thing that I think you could potentially make people think you believe in without digging deep, you know? I feel like I've seen that sort of commentary from her off the top of my head in other games but I haven't looked back yet to check them, if I will at all tbh. I don't know if it'd be helpful because it's either she's just like that in how she posts (die scum!) or she's emulating it.
I read 751 and I agree with his take on VP. Maybe VP did focus on Andante but he also interacted with others as well.In post 786, Vulture wrote:
Was kind of there before, on a personally-involved level. It was early on though.In post 784, Andante wrote:
could you elaborate more on this, and do you agree with them? Or like, where's your stance?In post 782, Vulture wrote:I think I understand the implosion scumreads.
This is a little less logic-y than I want and I'm unsure if it'll really... make sense but I read 751. That's it. I don't know why on a deeper level I dislike it.
I -guess- it feels... hm. I would need to read implosion in full to feel comfortable with saying this with my whole chest but it feels like implo's taking time this game to protect places and explain away pressure/get on good sides, in a way? I remember he did that to me early, engaging with "oh I found you towny before" or something to that note. I understand that like... you have townreads that you want to protect and will explain why you think they're town. But it boils down to "vibes off".
I'll read his iso tomorrow to see if that's a fair assessment because let it be known my vibereads have not been it lately.
At this point in time, do you still SR him? Are you done with your ISO on him?
That's true. I guess the pace of this game is a tad too fast for me. But I'll take Ari's advice and try to focus on one point and not on everything. That's why I'm replying to only to your posts now.In post 909, Vulture wrote: If you are town I understand that this game is hard to engage (I have others too have said as much) but I’d appreciate a deeper dive if you have the time, if only to my replies selfishly.-
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I will indulge you then (and Datisi), sacrifice some sleep and make some reads:In post 985, Andante wrote:hutmeil - Scum lean. feels scared to make actual reads, and I'm not sure what exactly it is, but they feel very cautious about what they say, and are all like "I must ISO X" then they'll say something, that's basically already been repeated in thread by someone. So I do have concern here. Either town just unable to get into the game? Or probably scum, and I'm leaning scum.
VPB- At the top of my previous read list. I liked how he started the ball rolling with the "I'm not Mason with Datisi" bit. I guess you feel tunnelled by him but that's one way to get info from someone.
Andante- Again, I don't like your vote hopping. But I'm guessing if I checked your previous games you did the same too so I'm not reading much into it. But since you're one of the discussion drivers on D1, I feel that your towny as I've mentioned before. And yes I'm still keeping track and you already voted 14 times as against VPB, Datisi,Ari who voted 5 times each.
implosion- I quick ISOd him now and he's playing the game and scumhunting. Not Andante level active but still active, asking questions and the like.
Datisi- I've been interacting with him the past few pages and I feel he's towny. I see him interacting with others as well and interested to know their takes on other players.
S_S- He does interact with others and asks questions. But I'm interested in his readslist since he hasn't posted one yet.
Gamma- She's posted a gif list, but same with S_S, I hope she shows her readlist with a bit of explanation.
fire- Read post 151 and I'm curious do you know VPB/Datisi personally? I mean the theatre reference makes it like you do know each other. Fire saying I'm scummy (post 675) because he thinks I'm redirecting (I'm not though) seems townish behavior to me. He's interacting with many players makes me think he's scumhunting.
Ari- She's the only one who gave me a tip on how to play the game without getting burnt out, so thanks really!! That's not AI of course. She has lots of posts but lots of filler posts too (flirting etc...). She asks questions sometimes but nothing really substantial I think.
PenguinPower,GeorgeBailey,Malakittens- I'm gonna put the 3 slots into one since they're basically all lurkers. I like Penguin's gif list but that's it. GB has been prodded I think. And Mala was lurking, posted a bit then gone again.
Vulture- My controversial take. I'm not sure if I should repeat the reasons for my take but I stand by it. As for their other posts, are they more towny or scummy, I'm not sure with the answer to that but I think their posts are logical and makes sense so other than their early d1 suggestion, I don't think I will add scum points to their slot.
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This is my updated readslist with cliffnotes. Don't know if that's good enough, but I have to sleep now (it's 3am again!).-
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