Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.06

Malakittens (4):

Aristeia, Datisi, implosion, Andante

Vulture (2):

PenguinPower, hutmeil

Gamma Emerald (2):

fireisredsir, Malakittens

Andante (2):

Gamma Emerald, VP Baltar

Datisi (1):

GeorgeBailey

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Vulture

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is July 8 at 5:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-07-08 17:00:00)

Notes:

PenguinPower is V/LA on weekends.

[Andante]

I guess the pace of this game is a tad too fast for me

I mean, if you just speak up, those of us who talk a lot can chill out/condense posts. That's so much better then after the fact "oh yeah, I GUESS the pace was too fast"

Vulture - My controversial take. I'm not sure if I should repeat the reasons for my take but I stand by it. As for their other posts, are they more towny or scummy, I'm not sure with the answer to that but I think their posts are logical and makes sense so other than their early d1 suggestion, I don't think I will add scum points to their slot

I might have missed it, but without quoting full posts (just putting the post numbers are fine) could you repeat why Vulture is your STRONGEST SR?


What feels wild to me, is your list is basically just the ordered version of my list, yet you had no comments for me on any of my people? You just provided a readslist cause I said you feel like you don't want to interact that much, it's generally a lot easier for maf to just quote a bunch of stuff and say whatever, ideally you'd be interacting in live time with someone.

I would love to hear a little more on why you have Penguin, GB, Mala as the same tier. Could I get the non cliffnotes version of your read there?

And you continue to say "I don't like Andante's vote moving" I mean, half the moves were where others were voting, to make a wagon, to put pressure on someone, a way to generate content and get some reads. Like, ok, you hate my vote moving, what about those not moving their votes? This reminds me a lot of mala, you liked how I've been driving most of the conversation, yet you give one "reason" to try and cast some doubt I'm town, I mean, I just gave a well explained readslist that basically got ignored, and only acknowledgement was you "copying" it. Like, hello? yall have been tunneling me all game. I finally give you my actual thoughts on the game, and it's just like, hmmm.... silence...

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

[Andante]

I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

I mean, at the end of the day, please have fun!! Like, don't feel like you have to change whatever, like, be you, have fun! And sure you'll get misread at times, but fun!! If the game isn't fun for you, it's probably not gonna be so fun for others!! Looking at that dead thread, you didn't seem too thrilled by that game. So if you're "throwing yourself harder" just to... be tred? like, don't worry about how anyone else reads you. Like, do whatever you do to find maf, and we lim the maf. simple as that!! Hopefully you're enjoying this game!! And at the end of the day, don't stress yourself out over feeling like you have to try super hard!! Like, there's only so much we CAN do with the amount of people not doing a whole lot.
If you wanna help sort any of my red/blue names from my list, you're more than welcome to help with that!! If you disagree with a green name, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong!!

[Datisi]

okay i got distracted by customers and then i got home and got distracted by art and anyway this game has my attention now. got my lemon coke. gonna go over all the slots and see where i stand on them.

vp baltar

- probably town. i have explained some of this before, but like. if he's scum, his andante tunnel is a sort of complex way to make himself seem busy while knowing she's not gonna tip over today and that he can keep pushing her tomorrow. i don't recall him playing scum like that. and the usual benefit of doing that strategy is avoiding giving reads on other slots, which he has not done. and the andante case doesn't seem like something scum!him is likely to put out at the time that he did.

i don't have any single post that makes me think "aha! town!", and it's not completely out of the question baltar is just playing a solid, meta defying scumgame, but like. definitely not d1 yeet material. probably not d2 or d3. we'll see.

penguinpower

- meh. i never knew how to read the penguin and i don't plan on starting now. the gifs are funny but they're more telling of personality rather than alignment. slightly to the scum side because the "blaming" of the moderator for not providing votecounts when that's the main thing he's interested in on d1 is kinda odd? like, probably doesn't take too long to run from the last vc and see where the votes are at. not a read i would bet any money on, but uh yeah i got nothing else.

something_smart

- slightly townie, mostly for the read on vp baltar and the way he went about it, especially around aristeia. rereading his iso, i liked that he seemed sorta engaged and willing to discuss things with people and requesting for them to interact with him. but i vaguely remember him doing similar offers in holiday dance party. so, uh. probably not town!indicative as i'd hoped.

georgebailey

- georgebailey

implosion

- also probably townie? what i wrote in 932 is probably the crux of this read. most of his other posts feels surface-level similar to other games of him i know where he was town? though this is probably not worth that much since i've never seen his proper scumgame.

@implo

, what's the current state of your read on fireisredsir?

vulture

- i really like their posting towards hutmeil, but i'm aware it's probably not difficult to fake. i think their flat out refusal to give townreads when asked about it is somewhat town!indicative since it doesn't fall into the same category of "haha gonna do this wacky thing for wifom(tm)" that you could argue their strategy suggestion did. and also i find it kind of weird for scum to go "hey there's scum in these three people" then back down and go "yeah idk nvm". like, it makes them seem like they're throwing shade on multiple people at once, but it also doesn't give them an opportunity to "convincingly" walk themselves back from it.

@vulture

, what's your current read on implo?

hutmeil

- mmm idk if i have to add more material here. i dislike the vulture read. the sorta triple-down in 998 is maybe sorta slightly +town because i feel like newbscum's instinct would be to change the thing he keeps getting yelled about, but also if he's scum, he has a team behind him who may be coaching him so this is only baby townpoints. otherwise, the explanations just feel like more words that don't actually say much of anything. but like, not enough people are interested in this slot so i guess i'm gonna leave it alone and hope i manage to solve it later somehow

aristeia

- eheheheh... i'm still leaning town because i am really not sure what scum!ari is doing in this game, because it feels like she's trying to keep the town together and stop them from pushing each other for ??? reason when she could just as well keep her mouth shut and not post is, i struggle to see the scum!motivation behind it. (obviously unless those are her partners, which i'm assuming not for the time being because it's more likely). i'm also slightly worried about her read on baltar kind of not being too present anymore?

andante

- my first thought upon seeing 985 was "lol town" because andante isn't really in trouble right now that she needs to be dishing out ~effort posts~ and i kinda don't think scum!andante does it on her own? at least from what i gathered from holiday dance party. gonna check that mini normal where she was scum, though. ok, i speed-skimmed through her iso there, i don't see any posts big enough to be this level of effort.

i decided to finally recheck that pyp again where i townread her early and i feel like there are enough similarities between andante there and andante here that i can slot her as town for at least d1. or, trust my gut on it at least.

fireisredsir

- zzz i'm getting tired... there have been some townie posts, like 893. 842 is townie since i feel scum doesn't often go "well, this person is scummy for x, but i actually think they're town because of y". overall, this iso feels slightly more boring than what i'd hope a town!fire iso to be, but this read is on hiatus for a bit since they said they're busy irl.

malakittens

- ugh okay here we go. opening three isos (this game, coalition - town, spring fling - scum). i was scum in both of those so it's not ideal for meta but it is what it is. surface level, posts in this game look much closer to the towngame, but we did call her out for not looking like in the towngame so that's to be expected.

i feel content wise... this is closer to her scumgame? like, in the coalition game, she had reads, but they had hints of... disconnected thought process behind them (e.g. scumreading std while also saying she really can't read him), while here everything feels much more artificially "clean". she's jumping around, her posts have more emotion behind them, and there's the "weird gut feeling" of there happening pocketing between me and ari (there was :3, but besides the point). like, it's not explained well and it looks like throwing shade, which makes her look surface-level scummy in that game. that sorta "disconnect" is not present in this game, all her reads seem to be explained in somewhat detail and there's no passion or paranoia i'm feeling. and skimming though her scumgame, i don't think there were any "disconnects" either, so.

this is a bit difficult to explain without quoting a bunch of posts, but i linked the isos so you know. click the links.

gamma emerald

- eh. the iso is kinda... boring. the read on andante doesn't sit well with me and i don't buy the tone argument. also i'd kinda expect town!gamma to scumread me here? idk, gut tells me she'd hate the read i expressed on her, but i might be confbiasing myself here. i was thinking about revisiting that c9++ game where i misread gamma and see how it compares, but uhh it's already 10pm and i wanna go eat dinner and get ready for bed, and gamma's not first on my shitlist anyway so i'm gonna leave meta divign gamma for tomorrow (or until i remember i was gonna do that)

[Aristeia]

why am i so far away from you

[Datisi]

names are in the order that i made the read on them, sorry i don't have the willpower to sort them

i'd like people (but especially vp baltar) to take a look at the malakittens read i've provided and tell me what they think.

[Datisi]

why am i so far away from you

i'm sorry i wish i could confidently call you town, it would make my life so much easier :<

[Aristeia]

you can always call me confidently town dear I promise I won't scumread you for it

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m TRing you because of gamestate Dats

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: one time offer

the first person to lock-town dats for posting a triangle is probably town

[Datisi]

I’m TRing you because of gamestate Dats

can you explain in what way is gamestate speaking to you

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m TRing you because of gamestate Dats

can you explain in what way is gamestate speaking to you

Feel like were you scum the you-VP-Ari situation would have escalated in a different way
Same goes for the other 2

[Aristeia]

I really really really really miss the days when I could just turn my brain off, sheep dats and wake up to a dead mafia.

those days were so much fun dats <3.

[Vulture]

Spoiler: Datisi is...

[Gamma Emerald]

also, gamma implied i don't have a good scumgame, so she can die

What did I say that came off as this btw?

[Datisi]

You+Ari I want to gamestate TR but Ari, if I read VP’s comment about Hidden Temple right, has a rather solid scumgame

[Datisi]

Feel like were you scum the you-VP-Ari

what did you have in mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

I only made that comment because unless I missed a game due to egosearching others being broken for me rn, I have a very narrow idea of who Ari can be and I rate 2 of those players kinda highly as scum
Meanwhile I have minimal exp with scum Dats (that I remember)

[Gamma Emerald]

Feel like were you scum the you-VP-Ari

what did you have in mind?

You would’ve gone at VP harder for pushing you

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s independent of VP’s alignment tbc

[VP Baltar]

his andante tunnel is a sort of complex way to make himself seem busy while knowing she's not gonna tip over today

She could tip over today pretty easily if y'all would stop free passing scummy play.

[VP Baltar]

the andante case doesn't seem like something scum!him is likely to put out at the time that he did.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

[Aristeia]

Dats has a very good scum game, he just crushed his Champs Qualifier without being voted a single time and the last two games I played vs Scum!Him, his team won both times.

My scum game is pretty much awful, I'm actually quite bad at faking an uninformed mindset.

[Andante]

the andante case doesn't seem like something scum!him is likely to put out at the time that he did.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

It means Datisi thinks you're town. You're welcome!