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[catboi]

Vote Count 1.07

Malakittens (3):

Datisi, implosion, Andante

hutmeil (3):

GeorgeBailey, fireisredsir, PenguinPower

fireisredsir (2):

Gamma Emerald, Aristeia

Save The Dragons (1):

hutmeil

Gamma Emerald (1):

Malakittens

PenguinPower (1):

VP Baltar

Not Voting (2):

Something_Smart, Save The Dragons

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is July 8 at 5:00 PM EST.

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(expired on 2022-07-08 17:00:00)

Notes:

PenguinPower is V/LA on weekends.

[Save The Dragons]

yeah vp having that response to that tier list is honestly among the most wild things i've seen in mafia games.

Glad to be No.1!

I find the tiers list to be tryharding LAMIST more than actual scumhunting or providing insight into her thought process.

i don't see it as LAMIST because it doesn't tell you anything so how could she be looking like town

putting VP Baltar in my spaghetti tier

[Save The Dragons]

Not Voting (4): hutmeil, Malakittens, Something_Smart, Vulture

Yikesville, USA.

ping

[Save The Dragons]

is georgebailey actually a player in this game

[Save The Dragons]

liking something_smart more

[fireisredsir]

hi std!!

love to see the town energy this time around, i missed it

[Save The Dragons]

Penguin, instead of reads from you, what about a gif describing your reads on people? like, can we get 3-4 "reads" please?

ok i need a gif of my play so far

[Save The Dragons]

ok when i'm done i'm doing a gif list

[Datisi]

I also do think the wagon is valid & I believe I already said it in the past post.

do you have any comments on the fact that you had the opposite stance in coalition (890)

[fireisredsir]

I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

ok so this post threw me a lil bit

bc like the main reason i was scumreading you was that it felt like you were posting out a of a sense of obligation, like you needed to get townread, and to me that's what i would expect you to do as scum

but then this is like... a very valid explanation for why you would have that kind of energy as town

but THEN i don't get why you would say in 442 that you would hang back more as scum. like... wouldn't you still feel that same pressure to get townread, and maybe even more so since you knew that it got you scumread in that game?

so idk on one hand i can see a world where you would do that as town. but some of it still doesn't really add up for me. so, still scumleaning, but less sold than i was

[Andante]

Andante flipping me into a townlean I wanted to say is the kind of thing scum maybe doesn't think of doing but I guess is conceivably a sensible thing for scum to do just because she wasn't getting traction. So I will Continue to be Uncertain about her.

lol I mean, I'm not SRing you like I was earlier, and you're not a strong TR, so yeah, lean town. Ideally I have no one as null, so like yeah, and you just had a good 1109, so yeah I think I still feel good with that read, you think I just went "no one followed my lead.. ok fine!! implosion town!!" ?? yeah that isn't the case

Fwiw, I will join the mala wagon if that's what implo and datisi are doing, since they are probably my strongest townreads at this point.

what makes implosion your strongest tr?


and I really don't wanna read more right now, can catch up later/whatever

[fireisredsir]

on mala... eh, idk

i thought her catchup posts were fine? i can kinda see the points for it feeling a little too sterile but i don't really think it makes her scum. ive already talked about the reaction to being voted and why i don't think it's really the same, and datisi still being on that point anyway without ever engaging with the points i made while also saying i was ignoring mala is kinda ehhh

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

ok so this post threw me a lil bit

bc like the main reason i was scumreading you was that it felt like you were posting out a of a sense of obligation, like you needed to get townread, and to me that's what i would expect you to do as scum

but then this is like... a very valid explanation for why you would have that kind of energy as town

but THEN i don't get why you would say in 442 that you would hang back more as scum. like... wouldn't you still feel that same pressure to get townread, and maybe even more so since you knew that it got you scumread in that game?

so idk on one hand i can see a world where you would do that as town. but some of it still doesn't really add up for me. so, still scumleaning, but less sold than i was

I think my approach would differ as scum because my objectives are completely different
while I'll aim to replicate certain habits or one-off occurences as the other alignment to avoid simple meta tells, I do not seek to replicate my towngame as scum beat-for-beat

[fireisredsir]

i also just don't really think scum mala engages with andante in that way after seeing how she engaged with her in the dance game, but could be wrong on that

[Datisi]

ive already talked about the reaction to being voted and why i don't think it's really the same, and datisi still being on that point anyway without ever engaging with the points i made while also saying i was ignoring mala is kinda ehhh

? where did you say that?

[Save The Dragons]

hey if i was only listening to him, he told me to never ever elim std, so. gotta be wrong on one of em

good advice in general

[fireisredsir]

I think my approach would differ as scum because my objectives are completely different

ok, and wouldn't one of those objectives be getting townread?

[Andante]

also I need to
UNVOTE:

not that I TR mala now, just idk, need to figre out reads and that's not happening rn

[fireisredsir]

ive already talked about the reaction to being voted and why i don't think it's really the same, and datisi still being on that point anyway without ever engaging with the points i made while also saying i was ignoring mala is kinda ehhh

? where did you say that?

900 and 905

[Gamma Emerald]

I think my approach would differ as scum because my objectives are completely different

ok, and wouldn't one of those objectives be getting townread?

not entirely
I feel like I can also serve scum agenda by going down in a blaze of glory
especially in a setup like this one

[fireisredsir]

but like, not enough people are interested in this slot so i guess i'm gonna leave it alone and hope i manage to solve it later somehow

this is just very weird to me

[Datisi]

ah, okay, i didn't get the argument at first

fine, here's the engagement: i don't think it's a very convincing point overall, and i think if she looked at the votes and saw baltar voting her, she'd probably draw the conclusion he's voting her for her lurky ass play in ktane

[Datisi]

but like, not enough people are interested in this slot so i guess i'm gonna leave it alone and hope i manage to solve it later somehow

this is just very weird to me

why

[Gamma Emerald]

also, I would say my approach to getting townread would differ as well
since you mentioned Slaughter Hour, I think my biggest stratagems for getting that done there was constant shifting of tactics and fake-spewing honest thought process while in the hot seat

[Gamma Emerald]

that's an indication of me doing nothing not an indication of me being mafia.

w i l d
Andante, thoughts?

I think this might've gotten overlooked btw @Andante