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Confidently Wrong Goon
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it's as simple as i thought they were in their town meta
Re: fancy i don't think anything in my entrance here was sus and it is exactly natural for a wrong townie who is reevaluating the gamestate and doesnt want to be pushed
I cant really explain longform and i can reread myself later and give more concrete responses-
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FancyPants he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Surety = scummy.In post 1101, Confidently Wrong wrote:Also im not answering any PR related probes. Your interest is weird.
Gamma knows how to read me + if i was scum he was dead tonight.
Gamma this is koba btw
I accept your explanation for now.
Waiting for some absent people to comment.-
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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I thought this was a soft that they were a Commuter. So. Yeah.In post 12, Loftwing wrote:VOTE: Fancy Pants
(you're going to) Die, Scum! (But thankfully I have an escape from this planet with my rocket ship!)Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Which is why I posted thisIn post 922, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: I see no town reasons for hiding the rest of the claim now. Also, unless the other ability is very specific, my town read on Loft is not as strong.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Malakittens Survivor
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I’m dead ok with wagoning Lowell.
Everyone else I’ll get back to u on thatNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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MalcolmTucker Mafia Scum
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I just fundamentally don't think it's very likely that scum were on the Loftwing wagon to be honest.In post 1081, kennyk wrote:I tend to agree with two of Malcolm`s four recent conclusions.
Although there is always the possibility that it was an expertly orchestrated scum thing, I for now agree, that Irrelephant`s constant push on Loft makes him townie.
CWs defence of Loft feels scummy. But I have to say, that it also feels like the previous game I had with their alt account. They were defending my slot from day 1 on in the same way and I was scum and they town. so with this meta info involved it could very well be within their town range. But it is definitely something to look at.
I don't think that BBT's defence of Loft is in any way scummy. Especially the "nearly half of the players were more lurking than Loft" feels very natural for a townie. Yes, BBT really started the Fred wagon, but I don't think, that anybody at that point felt like it could really get us to a (mis-)elim.
I have to totally disagree with the proposed townblock. And this is not due to the fact, that I am missing in it. I am far beyond the point of believing I could be a part of a townblock soon. I just can't believe that there isn`t at least one scum on that wagon. And the coincident, that Malcolm himself is in his proposed townblock. This lets me raise an eyebrow.
So Malcolm, why do you think, this is the townblockl we should go with (apart from the fact, that they were on a scum wagon)? I guess there`s no need to explain why you think Irrelephant should be a part of it.
The slot was in that middle-ground where Loftwing wasn't quite at the point of being the only definite elimination for most of the day, however there was constant pressure all the same.
I don't think his elimination was obvious to the point where scum would want to vote for Loftwing to gain towncred; by the same token there was enough heat there that it couldn't be a throwaway vote from mafia to create some distance, if that makes sense.
Lowell could potentially work to a degree and Gamma/Shoshin was absent for most of D1, but I don't see how scum benefits from either slot voting Loftwing. There's misdirects and then there's actively harming your chances as scum for minimal self-gain.
Remember, scum didn't think Loftwing was getting eliminated. They hoped to push through two townie eliminations with all three of them still in the game today.-
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MalcolmTucker Mafia Scum
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Why Lowell?In post 1106, Malakittens wrote:I’m dead ok with wagoning Lowell.
Everyone else I’ll get back to u on that-
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MalcolmTucker Mafia Scum
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FancyPants he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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Don't feed them answers.In post 1110, MalcolmTucker wrote:Lowell was confident on Loftwing wagon and was on it reasonably early. Very much town I think. Only slot on that wagon I'd have any doubts about at the moment is Gamma given Shoshin didn't say much but again I feel like it's unlikely scum would place a vote there, so Gamma is likely town too.-
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Confidently Wrong Goon
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On break now. Goal is to create a box of townies spewed rn - that being said just because someone pushed or was pushed by loftwing , it doesnt make them auto town. Remember that if we reach limlo. Lowell is one such slot - but only if mala is town. Context matters heavily. There were multiple dueling wagons and I'm strictly talking about anyone who pushed loft who was a dueling wagon with them. This means lowell+eira are not as cleared as the others - however i am not going to be looking first there. I know people wont like this take but it is a correct one that ensures we dont lose because we only looked at surface level logic of "they pushed scum hard!!"
I had a weird tinfoil based on how fancy was treating me going into this day but i think they were the one who did the meta dive so i think that slot is also pretty locktown.
If i had to locktown people at the moment:
Fancy
Irrelephant
Gamma(shoshin)
Likely town:
bbt(yall will hate me for this one but i sympathize with them. I after all did sheep their case, and that primarily becaue i was working off the false assumption loft was town)
Malcom - i still think the way they approach the game is how they do as town and the identifying factors - the extreme indecisiveness - was proof of that. I am still too wary and have tinfoils that prevent me from locking this in.
I forgot who else was in the game so uh i need to check playerlist before i post more-
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Confidently Wrong Goon
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Once i look at how wagons are i honestly feel i still have a vastly similar PoE? A game recently finished where i thought bbt was scum during night phase and i had BBT in poe because of that game but now that I know they were town there i have flipped my read there because of that.
The main thing i ask is people keep an open mind about this and allow me to do my work(trust me once i have evidence i can really case things well)-
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Funnily enough CW not pushing BBT at all does slightly soften my scumread a bit from very confident to relatively confident - I do feel like that'd be a useful slot for CW to be pushing given they TR'd Loftwing quite strong. Although, of course, there's not necessarily anything ruling out the two of them being scum together, much as I don't see it.-
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I have no doubt of this, my issue is if you're scum (which is quite probable) you could use that to try and wriggle out of being eliminated. We have a relatively strong townpool at this point, so for scum it's going to basically be a desperate scrap to throw anyone they can who's feasible onto the scrapheap. But intrigued to see what you come up with, even if only to give me a better feel on my read of you.In post 1115, Confidently Wrong wrote:Once i look at how wagons are i honestly feel i still have a vastly similar PoE? A game recently finished where i thought bbt was scum during night phase and i had BBT in poe because of that game but now that I know they were town there i have flipped my read there because of that.
The main thing i ask is people keep an open mind about this and allow me to do my work(trust me once i have evidence i can really case things well)-
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Confidently Wrong Goon
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I think its fair to see bbt and I as partnered but from my point of view, and bbts thats obviously... not possible so keep in mind that as town id be seeing things in a different POV adnd have a different view than most, notably being forced to consider slots others think are clear for (what i believe ) are weak distancing reasons.In post 1116, MalcolmTucker wrote:Funnily enough CW not pushing BBT at all does slightly soften my scumread a bit from very confident to relatively confident - I do feel like that'd be a useful slot for CW to be pushing given they TR'd Loftwing quite strong. Although, of course, there's not necessarily anything ruling out the two of them being scum together, much as I don't see it.
From where i sit, if the team is lowell loftwing eira - they were in deep shit all day and the fredrick wagon was a godsend.-
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Bless you fredrick for doing votecounts that is a saving grace and will help us now lmao
Anyone got a tool that can create a votecount as of a certain post? Because i just need to see what viable wagons were at key points - like i said, i think i had a different piece of the puzzle d1, was pushing it correctly and was pushing against people with another piece. (As is common in games !)-
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Confidently Wrong Goon
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Like wagons d1 were lowell/loftwing
When lowell was getting wagoned, lowell unexplained jumped on loft. Viable bus, and what i believe was what happened at this point(pending deeper reread, mobile gaming har
Same thing happened with eira
What i need lowell to do is explain their progression and how they reached a vote on loftwing.-
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