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[Datisi]

he wasn't under pressure at all, the sus came from him making that vote, bc it was a weird vote to make

why would scum go out of their way to go counter to their previous progressions and make a weird vote that will prob draw attention when they didn't really have attention beforehand? i thought it was to save a partner. but it could have been bc he thought he would get towncred for the vote eventually once hut went down

maybe he thought it wouldn't draw attention because he would be able to "i am penguin and i like wagons" his way out of it?

like, the hut wagon at that point is georgebailey (who is basically a non-presence) and you, and baltar has been thoroughly screaming about hut being town and/or easy wagon. and baltar had recently said that he'd be fine voting penguin. like, the vote on hutmeil feels all kinds of unnecessary if scum!hut because it's decently unlikely he actually tips over on d1 i think?

though i guess these do somewhat apply to the town!hutmeil world too so like lmao idk anymore

[Something_Smart]

i'm rereading the game around that part and i think vp baltar is malding in the dead thread that we're not voting andante

No time like the present.

VOTE: Andante

[fireisredsir]

he wasn't under pressure at all, the sus came from him making that vote, bc it was a weird vote to make

why would scum go out of their way to go counter to their previous progressions and make a weird vote that will prob draw attention when they didn't really have attention beforehand? i thought it was to save a partner. but it could have been bc he thought he would get towncred for the vote eventually once hut went down

maybe he thought it wouldn't draw attention because he would be able to "i am penguin and i like wagons" his way out of it?

like, the hut wagon at that point is georgebailey (who is basically a non-presence) and you, and baltar has been thoroughly screaming about hut being town and/or easy wagon. and baltar had recently said that he'd be fine voting penguin. like, the vote on hutmeil feels all kinds of unnecessary if scum!hut because it's decently unlikely he actually tips over on d1 i think?

though i guess these do somewhat apply to the town!hutmeil world too so like lmao idk anymore

vp hadn't really screamed about it or said that hut was town, he just had 669 mostly. he started more heavily criticizing the wagon for being easy right after penguin voted. and i think he correctly called that momentum was shifting there

and yea thats my point, like i can't see why penguin would do it if hut was town. and it doesn't really make 100% sense to me why he would do it if hut was scum, but at least that adds another factor to the equation that could influence him to act in a way that was out of the ordinary

[fireisredsir]

this post is gonna annoy datisi but i had a brief flash of a thought that there is a possible world where datisi could do his whole thing about making people commit to giving reads on either hut or peng

and it's the world where he's scum with both of them and sets it up to look like S/T wagons and just rides it out to the end on the towncred he gets from doing it, never needing to worry about the "why wasn't he nk'd" fear bc he can just nk masons instead...

my original hut/dats conspiracy theory... it calls to me...

haha jk

unless...?

[Datisi]

this post is gonna annoy datisi

you are correct

[Aristeia]

~_~

if I got pocketed by Dats again I'm going to cry

[fireisredsir]

ari why do you think that pengu would vote hut there if hut/mala is t/t?

[Aristeia]

? are you talking about voting hutmeil after you/george voted hutmeil?

[Aristeia]

I'm not sure it's fruitful to look into where penguin may or may not have voted but if you want to make a theory about why hut is scum based on how penguin voted I would be interested to read it

[fireisredsir]

yea, there were 3 on mala, 2 on hut, 2 on vulture (both hut and penguin were there), 2 on me, i believe, as of 1079. momentum was kinda building on both me and hut. if all 4 of those are town it just feels kind of weird to me for penguin to switch to hut there after not posting for 36 hours and not really being under pressure, when he has prior trajectory onto me and no trajectory on hut

like ok maybe it makes some sense if im partners with peng but consider fmpov for a moment, i genuinely do not understand why he would do that and i want another perspective if you have thoughts on it

[fireisredsir]

idk if it makes hut scum but it is a weird action to take and i don't understand it, and i think penguin thinking he wants to get on board the bus before the wagon goes too far is a possible explanation

mala being a partner is a better explanation (and tbh so is me being a partner) but neither of those are right, so

[Aristeia]

penguin wanting 3-mala 3-hut as dueling t/t wagons is also a possible explanation

I don't know if peng likes to bus

[fireisredsir]

but then why not vote me when he previously said he wanted to wagon me

[Aristeia]

I don't know what your alignment is much less what's going on in Peng's head.

[fireisredsir]

okay

[Enchant]

Hm Andante town too seems.

hutmeil too.

can we blease get some elaboration with that

Andante posting makes me want to choke her. It's mostly when she town.

Obviously I WANT ANDANTE TO COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS GAEM.


hutmel... Idk i managed to forgot after sleep, but there's something important in iso.

[Enchant]

Looked again and remembered.

Yep hutmel town. Simple feel so.

[Andante]

I WANT ANDANTE TO COME HERE AND TALK

HI

[Andante]

Sorry I'm useless right now, I'll be deadweight for a few more days probably

[Andante]

enchant could be a revealed IC and I would not believe a single read he had

You want to say killing Mala is my sole decision alone?

You still trying to pin all blame on me. Nah.

VOTE: Ari

ok so I'm reading all this yelling at enchant for the hammer thing, but I mean, all of us wanted mala dead, like, I don't regret that? now we have the 2 day 1 "wagons" the lim went between penguin and mala, might be cool to flip hut too, but yeah, knowing mala is town and penguin is maf, it might be interesting to read day 1 where I was all "YEAH LET'S GO MALA" and see if anyone supported that without flipping their vote. idk just a thought

all this yelling at enchant for hammering makes no sense to me

idk I'm just dead right now, I'll be able to think more clearly later

[Andante]

i will be very impressed and slightly scared if ari is scum here

what about it would impress you? this is just going "WHY WOULD ENCHANT HAMMER?" which is super easy to do tbh, like if someone was strongly opposed to limming mala in the first place they could've said literally anything as we were voting. this wasn't some surprise wagon

[Andante]

who would you like to yeet SS?

An...dante?

you got a reason? Cause you sure seemed to like my mala lim idea eod1

[Andante]

im also not sure if i should be glad that SS is scumreading the person that i think it's most likely that im wrongly townreading, or if i should be concerned bc he is the person that i think it's second most likely that im wrongly townreading, and guiding people towards andante would prob be his plan here if scum

SS why andante?

you think you're wrongly TRing me? why?

[Andante]

Malakittens (6):

Andante, Gamma Emerald, Datisi, fireisredsir, Something_Smart, Enchant

With 11 alive, it took 6 to eliminate.

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I think there's a good chance all the masons and all the mafia are on this wagon because:

mala softed mason and.

(1) the mafia know mala isn't mafia
(2) the masons know mala isn't a mason

it would explain how fast the wagon moved because 2 informed groups both heavily incentivized to push her.

the reason why mafia + masons are both on the wagon and it's not vts+masons is because of the gamma nightkill

I think mafia knowing who they are on the wagon narrowed the mason pool for them to shoot in and they decided to shoot gamma.

i think fire being the one to call out mala for not having any possible partners and

not getting shot

is heavily scum indicative for him because if I was mafia and fire was town, he would be my first guess for being a mason as he called out mala for not being a mason. yet gamma was the one who was shot.

I'm following that reasoning, and that would confirm fire is mafia tbh, so if we flip fire here, and fire flips red, I'd say you're 100% correct and that's a very good observation, cause yeah that's a very sound reason for why it moved so quickly before deadline

[Andante]

i'm not sure i get the idea ari is putting out (the mafia voting mala thing) because my first instinct as mafia would be to not even get close to voting a mason soft for the chance they actually are a mason and i prematurely get shit for pushing a green flip, and i feel like it would be the same for at least some number of scum!players here?

wouldn't the instinct as mafia be to try and run up as many people possible to see who claims, as well as just see how people interact with one another? cause now mafia go back and look at how people interacted with gamma and bam, there's your other masons, like essentially all they had to do here was flip someone that wasn't really getting pushed, cause obv masons aren't gonna push a mason. this "my first instinct as mafia" thing from you makes like no sense