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[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, I was townreading MegAzumarill shortly after post 337 was made. I didn't mention it because there wasn't anyone scumreading MegAzumarill. When I saw a significant number of scumreads on MegAzumarill, I thought that I should expose my townread at some point, and did so after some time. I also looked into the reasons why MegAzumarill is mafia and simply wasn't convinced by the reason I understood. The other reason for the scumread, I simply didn't understand.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I will look into my notes a little later

[MalcolmTucker]

Ultimate obvious bus.

I didn't even realise I was hammer lmao. Glad I just went for it.

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker the premature hammer is probably last minute bus.

MT showed no signs of sussing Meg before that and the excuse is weak.

I dont see town MT going for that if theres a risk Meg is green.

I get it doesn't look great but if I was scum I reckon I'd have been more active in at least trying to formulate a reason to bus - I genuinely just quite liked the case on Meg and placed a vote there without realising I was hammering. A happy accident.

[MalcolmTucker]

So i am going back on unsure being a buss from meg. Looks like fancy was wrong town. I could still see it being scum but leaving it at the door. Calling unsure town for now

Bugspray was a counter. Seems like a designated misyeet. Claiming gunsmith out of nowhere. Who cares.

Fred is a weird one.

I still don't understand why fred continues to get traction and everyone sees slot as scum or gets in lists everywhere. I am not saying ohh fred town, i am going "I don't know why this slot gets so much attention".

I should dig into it to get a big brain opinion.


Anyways if i was yeeting someone at this moment it would be Prince

This is a bit of an odd post. I don't necessarily completely SR Fred but the case for them so far seems pretty clear. This reads like a weak attempt at defending Fred that can't necessarily find a proper reason to TR them so tries to shade the case entirely without explaining why we shouldn't SR Fred.

[Vivax]

So i am going back on unsure being a buss from meg. Looks like fancy was wrong town. I could still see it being scum but leaving it at the door. Calling unsure town for now

Bugspray was a counter. Seems like a designated misyeet. Claiming gunsmith out of nowhere. Who cares.

Fred is a weird one.

I still don't understand why fred continues to get traction and everyone sees slot as scum or gets in lists everywhere. I am not saying ohh fred town, i am going "I don't know why this slot gets so much attention".

I should dig into it to get a big brain opinion.


Anyways if i was yeeting someone at this moment it would be Prince

This is a bit of an odd post. I don't necessarily completely SR Fred but the case for them so far seems pretty clear.

This reads like a weak attempt at defending Fred that can't necessarily find a proper reason to TR them so tries to shade the case entirely without explaining why we shouldn't SR Fred.

Really? This accusation is scummy. And you should be able to see his point from how many peeps tried to murder Fred D1.

Do you disagree with Owen that Firebringer is cleared from Meg flip then?

[Datisi]

vote count 2.02

with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-07-27 13:15:00).

yeet

MalcolmTucker [4]:

Enchant, Unsure, Andante, Firebringer

Fredrick A Campbell [3]:

bugspray, Crescent, Prince of Paterson

Unsure [1]:

Greeting

Prince of Paterson [1]:

Lowell

UNOwen [1]:

Vivax

not voting [5]:

MalcolmTucker, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99, geraintm, UNOwen

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[geraintm]

looking at the thoughts of people on Malcolm and Fred.
flipping them both would obviously solve their slots, cant work out though which one would be more useful to help solve others

It kinda sucks that the only defunct point I've is in the very post I voted him though~

Also I'm just going to let this loose:

I'm actually legit angry at Bugspray for flat out wasting their role on a godawful meaningless claim. Not getting voted off after Meg flipped scum. Too inactive to be worth killing at night. Claims random inno scan for absolutely no reason day 2.

Offensively awful play.

it did seem a very quick claim. i wouldnt have in that situation, i woul dhave waited to see if any pressure built up on their check before claiming.

i don't like lowell posting that last half of yesterday

Scum reading Lowell gets you a naughty point.

Adante = town.

My hesitation with Fred is that Lowell abandoned the Meg wagon for Fred just as it began to gather momentum, and then didn't return until it was clear the Meg wagon was serious. So it seemed like Lowell might have been trying to defuse the pressure on his buddy which obviously doesn't work if Fred is also scum.

I actually forgot about this.

Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though, as he was really pushing that to be hammered after stalling out for so long. It's theoretically "possible" that Meg disappeared intentionally just to let Lowell do this, but that's kind of a total bush-league play.

same, scum reading Lowell gets you anaught ypoint too. Lowell isn't getting eliminated any time soon.

Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though,

is this revisionist history. Lowell was being super sketchy

did you even read Bugspray???

@ Greeting

if you remove the bugspray/lowell pair too, you get left with
Unsure, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99 UNOwen, Prince of Paterson

are you happier with those?

I suppose I could leave Firebringer and geraintm out for the time being. Although I am not very sure about these two, they have given me some stuff to townread them for, while the rest are all kinda shady.

i am interested in what i have done that is shady

keepign on trying to get Lowell voted off whilst sayign you trust Bugspray.

VOTE: enchant

i dont get this vote at all. but Enchant's reaction is weird.

VOTE: Malcolm

ok, i can get with the vote but the progression sucks.

Ultimate obvious bus.

I didn't even realise I was hammer lmao. Glad I just went for it.

you know you get zero credit for the hammer, it just makes your clot look worse and claiming you did ti accidentally doesnt help.


right now, i would be happy with a Malcolm elimination. but firebringer looks super weird too

[Vivax]

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

[Greeting]

Yo, Greeting:

Most likely one of them is, least likely both are town.

Why?

I ignored this question before, because the answer to it is in the very post you quoted.

[Greeting]

@Greeting
I think Dwlee is town, based off Meg's actions. Meg's first RVS vote was Dwlee, and bugspray's duel thing day 1 was probably gunsmith related, and I can see town doing that. so I would take those 2 out of the poe, which leaves

Unsure, Frederick, Lowell, UNO, Prince

and now, I really like Prince calling out Fredrick "missing the nightkill" def could be a bus, but uhh I'm at the conclusion Fredrick maf I think

Greeting, why do you TR Malcolm?

Let me tell you that I actually think

Dwlee99

is more likely scum than town. I have played several games with them and in my personal experience, they tend to roll scum abnormally often. I have a secret theory that they're tired of rolling mafia all the time and that's why they aren't giving two shits about this game.

I don't see

Meg

's RVS vote as AI, because these votes aren't meant to be serious. I have never seen anyone get eliminated in RVS in any game of mafia ever.

As for my

Malcolm

TR, I spoke of it in 332. Plus, FancyPants' successor,

Unsure

is onto that wagon again, which makes them unlikely to be both mafia.

[Greeting]

@ Greeting

if you remove the bugspray/lowell pair too, you get left with
Unsure, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99 UNOwen, Prince of Paterson

are you happier with those?

Actually, yes, this does look good for a PoE.

I could go after

Unsure

or

UNOwen

today. Second preference is

Dwlee99

on par with

Prince of Paterson

.

My gut feeling says that

Fredrick A Campbell

is town though. I just kinda see him trying to solve the game and the early game wagon on him as a town hiccup we had over his bizarre behavior. But I've been miseliminated countless times as town for doing weird things too. So I find myself quite unwilling going after

Fredrick

at the moment.

But I haven't looked at this slot closely (I only read his posts while reading the thread in general) since like the beginning of Day 1, and perhaps I should.

[geraintm]

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

i have no idea what this means

[Greeting]

I once quit a job because the people I worked for sucked, and the pay wasn't the biggest problem. A ping-pong table wouldn't have made me stay though.

[geraintm]

@greeting

i still think malcolm is the way to go today

[Greeting]

@greeting

i still think malcolm is the way to go today

Fine, I'll reevaluate this slot. I didn't like post 877 for example, it feels really not genuine for a townie to not know when a hammer happens.

[Vivax]

@ Greeting

if you remove the bugspray/lowell pair too, you get left with
Unsure, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99 UNOwen, Prince of Paterson

are you happier with those?

Actually, yes, this does look good for a PoE.

I could go after

Unsure

or

UNOwen

today. Second preference is

Dwlee99

on par with

Prince of Paterson

.

My gut feeling says that

Fredrick A Campbell

is town though. I just kinda see him trying to solve the game and the early game wagon on him as a town hiccup we had over his bizarre behavior. But I've been miseliminated countless times as town for doing weird things too. So I find myself quite unwilling going after

Fredrick

at the moment.

But I haven't looked at this slot closely (I only read his posts while reading the thread in general) since like the beginning of Day 1, and perhaps I should.

I can get behind this sentiment. I got the feeling there's spite or some other hidden reason behind some of the pushes on Fred but it isn't properly visible in the thread.

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

i have no idea what this means

Well your avatar makes me think of Pinhead. I thought maybe that was the point.
Otherwise, the points on Malcolm have some merit, but it's weird you're paying attention to Firebringer as I think the hints that FB is town prevail. So you're kinda burying your points on MT at the same time by doing that and thinning down your focus.

[geraintm]

@vivax
my picture is something i found nearly 20 years ago that i thought was memorable for other users. no hellraiser connection.

i am pretty all over the place, i've got very little to help me focus on anything at hte moment. it feels like a larger game like this needs 2 nights to really get going

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Vivax]

Not going to lie it's funny how puzzled Andante is at getting townread for doing nothing.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

By the way, if you put someone at L-1, declare it. The person who hammers won't hammer without realising that way.

Before voting, check if the player you are voting is at L-1. If they are, declare intent before hammering.

If a hammer without intent happens again, I'll be looking into whoever hammers.

[Enchant]

By the way, if you put someone at L-1, declare it. The person who hammers won't hammer without realising that way.

Before voting, check if the player you are voting is at L-1. If they are, declare intent before hammering.

If a hammer without intent happens again, I'll be looking into whoever hammers.

Malcolm hammered because at E-1 Meg was basically already doomed lol.

[bugspray]

VOTE: frederich

[bugspray]

By the way, if you put someone at L-1, declare it. The person who hammers won't hammer without realising that way.

Before voting, check if the player you are voting is at L-1. If they are, declare intent before hammering.

If a hammer without intent happens again, I'll be looking into whoever hammers.

town is not this stern about when a member of the scumteam gets "yolo" hammered d1. tbh i think a part of the emotionality apparent in this post is salt of their scum team member got hammered because of what they perceive to be bad townplay

[Greeting]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

After re-reading FancyPants' ISO, I am double convinced that I want his successor gone.

Pooky

was town. I have reasons to townread the other three too. Plus,

Unsure

basically took the same stance which is scum indicative.

This is evidence of

Unsure

going after both

bugspray

and

MalcolmTucker

after FancyPants' was replaced.

Maybe I'm a bit biased but I can't unsee bugs-Crescent-Meg lol

VOTE: bugspray

Do you also scumread Malcolm Tucker?

if Meg is scum i think Malcolm can be scum too because i think their read on meg is remarkably absent of nuance, which is a signature of town!MalcolmTucker.

Reason/explanation? Both FancyPants and

Unsure

were representing not an individual town agenda, which is exhibited by townies who normally have only their suspicions as to who's on their team, but a scum agenda which is focused on finding scapegoats acceptable for town to miseliminate.

Please consider this theory. I wanted

Unsure

gone before I did this research and now I want them gone even more.