Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

Klick · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:05 am

In post 790, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: froggodoggo
I think this is worth trying
I wasn't vibing w him earlier and the reaction to enchant's run-up and claim seems waffly in the wrong way

Explain a bit more why froggo's reaction to Enchant's wagon is bad? I'm not seeing it at all

Klick · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:06 am

Damn I'm good at this pagetop stuff. I am becoming what I despise

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:06 am

froggodoggo · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:07 am

In post 790, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: froggodoggo
I think this is worth trying
I wasn't vibing w him earlier and the reaction to enchant's run-up and claim seems waffly in the wrong way

Guess I should’ve hammered while I had the chance? Had two other players encouraging it too, would’ve been insanely easy to do.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:08 am

Sounds like you're regretting it?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:08 am

In post 800, Klick wrote:
In post 790, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: froggodoggo
I think this is worth trying
I wasn't vibing w him earlier and the reaction to enchant's run-up and claim seems waffly in the wrong way
Explain a bit more why froggo's reaction to Enchant's wagon is bad? I'm not seeing it at all

It’s not so bad following explanation but I still feel like something is off about it
Like, the initial thought was that it felt like he was calling the wagon bad but still being cool about the claim occurring
UNVOTE: because I at least think the explanation goes against my initial feeling there

froggodoggo · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:10 am

In post 804, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Sounds like you're regretting it?

No I just don’t see how my reaction is scummy when I could’ve ended the day and not allowed for any of this discourse to happen.

Lucian · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:14 am

Hello, I am awake and I will be with you shortly. Just popping in to say that I don't particularly feel like unvoting because of a Doctor claim.

Klick · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:15 am

In post 807, Lucian wrote:Hello, I am awake and I will be with you shortly. Just popping in to say that I don't particularly feel like unvoting because of a Doctor claim.

Yay

furtiveglance · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:18 am

In post 806, froggodoggo wrote:
In post 804, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Sounds like you're regretting it?
No I just don’t see how my reaction is scummy when I could’ve ended the day and not allowed for any of this discourse to happen.

But you didn't know that we would start sussing you more at that point.

froggodoggo · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:21 am

In post 809, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 806, froggodoggo wrote:
In post 804, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Sounds like you're regretting it?
No I just don’t see how my reaction is scummy when I could’ve ended the day and not allowed for any of this discourse to happen.
But you didn't know that we would start sussing you more at that point.

Okay but that was still a risk that I was willing to take because I was more focused with making sure everyone had their say before one of us potentially dies at night.

furtiveglance · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:22 am

I don't really like the "I could have hammered" thing. It implies that you TR Enchant, which you also claim not to.

froggodoggo · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:23 am

Like, I am still set on killing Enchant here, I am now on board with the group of people who don’t wanna be second guessing this scummy Doc who does nothing all game. By not hammering there I made that much harder on myself, but it was worth it because I get to see other players feedback and see if any big revelations happen from the claim. I think it would be unfair to end the day early but extremely beneficial to me especially if I were scum.

froggodoggo · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:24 am

If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:26 am

It would also be extremely beneficial for scum!Froggo to show some hesitancy before hammering a Doc claim, no?

furtiveglance · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:27 am

In post 813, froggodoggo wrote:If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol

No, I'm saying if your towncase on yourself is "I could have hammered X", it only makes sense if X is town. If X is mafia, "I could have hammered mafia and didn't" isn't a towncase, it's a scumcase. See what I mean?

froggodoggo · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:27 am

Yup, which I did. And then didn’t hammer.

froggodoggo · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:27 am

In post 815, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 813, froggodoggo wrote:If you’re scumcasing me for a bad reaction to the Doc claim then you are also assuming Enchant is legit lol
No, I'm saying if your towncase on yourself is "I could have hammered X", it only makes sense if X is town. If X is mafia, "I could have hammered mafia and didn't" isn't a towncase, it's a scumcase. See what I mean?

Okay

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:28 am

In post 816, froggodoggo wrote:Yup, which I did. And then didn’t hammer.

Because the opportunity had gone.

Klick · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:38 am

In post 818, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 816, froggodoggo wrote:Yup, which I did. And then didn’t hammer.
Because the opportunity had gone.

Basically this
You were actively talking about hammering and then the option went away

I don't think it makes you scum really but 'I could have hammered' isn't really a valid defense

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:39 am

In post 814, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It would also be extremely beneficial for scum!Froggo to show some hesitancy before hammering a Doc claim, no?

This is valid

Lucian · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:42 am

Hot take, scum doesn't usually say "goddamn, I wish I had done this scummy thing when I had the chance". I'm guessing froggo is Town.

Hiraki · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:44 am

In post 798, Klick wrote:Ppl going 'Doctor, no lim' without actually considering the town utility of a scummy doctor claim with no other PRs claimed and no obvious night kill

It's close to useless at the moment if true and will probably lead to us just still having Enchant on the table as an option around D4.

Not even that - it causes a massive amount of WIFOM from all angles. If you think about the scenarios here, this is probably the best scum play and the worst case scenario for town.

For scum, if town claims doc and doesn't die tonight or even if they're roleblocked, town's claim comes into question again. As scum in the same scenario, you practically play the same way. I am really trying to think of the utility that Enchant has at this point and it's near zero.

Enchant noting this is not townpoints btw.

If Enchant flips red, go for Froggo next. If not, still highly consider Froggo.

Klick · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:47 am

In post 821, Lucian wrote:Hot take, scum doesn't usually say "goddamn, I wish I had done this scummy thing when I had the chance". I'm guessing froggo is Town.

Literally lol'd

furtiveglance · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:50 am

In post 823, Klick wrote:
In post 821, Lucian wrote:Hot take, scum doesn't usually say "goddamn, I wish I had done this scummy thing when I had the chance". I'm guessing froggo is Town.
Literally lol'd

Do you agree or not?