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vote count 3.03

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-08-02 23:30:00).

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MalcolmTucker [2]:

Andante, Unsure

Unsure [2]:

Greeting, Lowell

Prince of Paterson [2]:

Enchant, Vivax

Enchant [1]:

Prince of Paterson

not voting [6]:

MalcolmTucker, Firebringer, Malakittens, Crescent, geraintm, UNOwen

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[Vivax]

Make sure your A/C is running flawlessly before I begin removing limiters

[MalcolmTucker]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

Going back to Enchant's reads list, not sure you'd typically expect huge detail, but this is really hedgy in particular - one confirmed scum just left out completely too.

You're going to have to do better than a post almost the entire game dismissed as NAI within 100 posts of it being made to justify saying Enchant is your #1 scum read. This is a really weak point to be latching onto.

I've said quite openly my justification here is I'm really, really struggling for scumreads and by process of elimination Enchant is starting to look like possible scum to me. Do you not agree the reads list is pretty meh?

[Vivax]

[Malakittens]

Doubt enchanted is scum

[Vivax]

Doubt enchanted is scum

But he made a reads list.
What happened to the rule of law?

[Lowell]

This game is dead. Scum wins.

[Vivax]

This game is dead. Scum wins.

It just needs recovery time

[Greeting]

What do people think of Crescent? It's a slot I'd seen as town so far based on posting but wanted to have a greater look. There's a lot of shading people for joining the wagon without supposedly having a valid reason throughout D1 but also acknowledgement of Meg's drop in activity, almost feels a bit like Crescent could have been hedging there, aware they'd been too defensive. But also feels like there's just too many mentions of Meg/too many interactions early on for them to be scum partners together? Unless Crescent just wanted to be assertive in trying to save their partner.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that her tone is so towny and yet her actions aren't really helping town that much. Town does get opinionated too though, and if I'm wrong about

Unsure

, this statement will also apply to me.

[Andante]

This game is dead. Scum wins.

it's dead cause people are luike "NO!!! I DON'T WANT TO WAGON X" but then don't give alternate wagons

VOTE: UNOwen

[Vivax]

VOTE: UNOwen

I don't have an example of how UNOwen plays town so far, so I'd have to go purely off the feeling at the entrance

[Prince of Paterson]

Explain why he follows the trajectory he did on Meg as scum partners with them? I don't see it as likely.

[Vivax]

If the only read you have on someone is tonal why would you think its a bad wagon.

To me this feels like tmi that I'm town.
Also dont like the MT vote.
VOTE: Fancypants

Why aren't you bothered by the wagon against you?

This post doesn't look good to me. It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions aren't genuine information seeking.

[Greeting]

I can get behind this.

VOTE: UNOwen

[UNOwen]

I really should learn how to write a joke

Apparently so should I...

(I got you weren't being serious, neither was I)

[Vivax]

Had to learn how to take a joke quickly, maybe overdid it in the process.
Then tend to assume others have the same degree of self-deprecation and get too cheeky.
But if the cheekyness doesn't get digested, weird shit happens.

[UNOwen]

I can get behind this.

VOTE: UNOwen

Why?

[UNOwen]

This post doesn't look good to me. It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions aren't genuine information seeking.

I'm not sure whether you're genuinely pushing me on this post, but if so you're correct that it was a loaded question. The most logical answer was that Meg was scum, and by pushing him on it I was trying to draw attention to an argument that I hoped would convince people. Of course there was a chance Meg would be town and have an answer that didn't occur to me too, I wasn't expecting it by then though.

[Vivax]

This post doesn't look good to me. It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions aren't genuine information seeking.

I'm not sure whether you're genuinely pushing me on this post, but if so you're correct that it was a loaded question. The most logical answer was that Meg was scum, and by pushing him on it I was trying to draw attention to an argument that I hoped would convince people. Of course there was a chance Meg would be town and have an answer that didn't occur to me too, I wasn't expecting it by then though.

Your expectation that they would flip mafia flowed into the post and so you worded it too aggressively imo.
The mafia curse of wanting to look right.

[UNOwen]

Your expectation that they would flip mafia flowed into the post and so you worded it too aggressively imo.
The mafia curse of wanting to look right.

If you're saying a more subtle approach might've got an answer then yeah, possibly. Accusing questions shouldn't shake townies though.

[UNOwen]

VOTE: Lowell
This is the way forward. My reasoning is 866, but the short explanation is that Lowell gave this:

Biggest scumread that stands out to me that I didn't notice before is

prince

. Not going to derail the perfectly good

Fred

wagon but if this feckless town chickens out let's do him or

Meg

next.

Andante

looks worse than I remember. Some likely towns are:

gerain, crescent, pooky, vivax

.

as his excuse to jump from the scum Meg wagon with momentum, to the town Fred wagon that was faltering. And then went on a vanity vote against Prince rather than immediately return to the Meg wagon when the Fred wagon collapsed.

[Prince of Paterson]

A false innocent check on a mafia doctor would help explain why I and others feel like there's too many people to townread in this game. I agree with the reasoning as well.

[Unsure]

I

specifically

laid out my reason why UNOwen is town and the next thing I know a wagon forms on them. This is outrageous. Why is it so hard to elim Malcolm?

[Vivax]

I

specifically

laid out my reason why UNOwen is town and the next thing I know a wagon forms on them. This is outrageous. Why is it so hard to elim Malcolm?

Votecount analysis is easy to manipulate. If you see Crescent, Andante and Prince coming in with the oomph wagon on Meg, you might want to start to cover your butt if you don't feel like fighting.
That said, for the way I reacted negatively to that I could be a decent push here, but I get the feeling the remaining mafia don't want to try that.

UNOwen's Meg vote couldn't have been a bus. UNOwen changed his vote from Vivax to Meg here. Even before Lowell changes his vote from Meg to Fred. Since we now know Fred is town, this means UNOwen chose to put Meg at the leading wagon at greater than parity with a very limmable wagon. That's not the partner dynamic we're looking for. So that puts UNOwen at least likeliest busser.

[Vivax]

And the least likeliest bussers would be firebringer and Greeting, so tbh that reasoning calling Owen the least likely makes you look scummier.