Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Froggo

I can do this. I think this is E-1?

[Klick]

I'm sorry I'm not really engaging much with what you're doing BBT but I at least don't think you're scum anymore right this second

And yes it's E-1

[furtiveglance]

If one mafia wanted the kill, the others might agree.

[Klick]

I don't think BBT or Dunn would agree to kill Malakittens

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm here, but i don't have much to add.

Either of these flips will at least tell us if we're going in the right direction or not, so I'm fairly content with these wagons.

Froggo seems like he's solving and reassessing reads naturally at some points to me. But i concede he acted weirdly around enchant, and the wagon composition on him feels pretty good as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty much the same.

I can go Frog or Infinity. I'm pretty sure scum are within the pool I quoted earlier so I'm not fussed

[Cat Scratch Fever]

intent

[Aisa]

Happy birthday Alianna.

Thanks!

UNVOTE: froggo
I’m more of a “take time to let reads marinate” kinda gal

[Aisa]

Feel free to yell at me either postgame or now for being so darn obstructionist

[Aisa]

Like even assuming I personally were 100% happy with froggo dying today, I see voting someone off this quickly as kind of risky? I feel like sometimes town losses come from town eliminating somebody on autopilot. I’m sort of philosophically anti quicklim.

You could argue I haven’t really experienced the burn of being right about who is scum but being unable to push that wagon through, maybe it’s just my overinflated ego making me believe I could push froggo through later if I wanted anyway?

[Hiraki]

Klick and I are on pretty similar wavelengths here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dragging out days for the sake of dragging out days is anti-town.

It's clear that on this Day it is going to be Froggo or Infinity - so let's get it done.

[Lucian]

Not my first choice, but I don't mind it. Can we get a claim from froggo?

[furtiveglance]

Dragging out days for the sake of dragging out days is anti-town.

It's clear that on this Day it is going to be Froggo or Infinity - so let's get it done.

I disagree, longer days is more information.

[Alianna]

2.07

Votecount 2.07

froggodoggo (E-2): Hiraki, Klick, furtiveglance, BlueBloodedToffee
Infinity 324 (3): Cat Scratch Fever, Lucian, froggodoggo
furtiveglance (2): Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, Aisa

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-01 21:16:50).

[froggodoggo]

oh thats me. i will go read pages. happy birthday alianna!!!!!

Thank you!

- Alianna

[froggodoggo]

- If I have to defend myself I think I’m more likely to point to things I *did* rather than things I *would* or *wouldn’t* do as mafia. The latter can never escape WIFOM to some extent. I understand that sometimes you just want to share what’s on your mind, but it doesn’t feel like the approach they’ve taken to defending themselves is actually the most constructive.

Fair enough! but the things I did are seen in my ISO whereas the things I didn't do aren't

[froggodoggo]

I think I've been playing a pretty active game and have been trying to get as much information out of people as much as possible. That's not something that clears me in any way but town benefits from making people give opinions on others to create association and I've tried to make people do that throughout the entire game.

Spoiler:

i am very sad. i need a big strong townie to save me from the wagonners. help!!

oh yea, furtive's Infinity vote seemed non-random

but if that's the case, then why not say why you're voting them to start a Serious Wagon (TM)?

i dunno. vote infinity with me?

(ongoing but a fun read)

Just a heads up, you shouldn't be linking this.

My bad. Thoughts on Klick and Infinity?

BBT SRing Infinity is old news

wdym by this? any SRs btw?

I like infinity's page 5. feels very calm and collected and chill and other words. Infinity could i interest you in voting Gamma with me or would you prefer to stay on Klick?

need to hear more from Dunn, furtive, gamma, mala, aisa, and enchant. others too but these slots are proving difficult for me to be able to sort with much confidence bcuz of their lack of content.

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Depending on mood and interest.

Ah. Sorry that you didn’t roll SK
Care to hop on a wagon?

Care to name the slots Lucian?

I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.

is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?

You should omgus

I'll vote Hiraki if you vote Enchant

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more? Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me so I would like to hope BBT is town

among other questions that are pro-discussion

Spoiler:

why is lucian awkward?

VOTE: hiraki

why vote the IC? seems like a throwaway vote

Infinity why did ur slot vote me earlier. i don't want to let that go unexplained.

the whole "i'm new and i'm flustered because i'm being pressured" is >rand scum.

-ash

what is the >rand town reaction to being pressured early d1

Not to mention that my responses to it would be the same both as scum and as Town.

when do you usually differ in regards to your town play and your scum play?

THINK FURTIVE THINK!
WHY WOULD

I

TAKE NOTICE OF

YOU

TALKING ABOUT COLORS?

I do know, but I don't think you really have a point. If you think you do, you can share it with the group.

I'm going to let my votes do the talking.

as for this, I'll let Dunn/Enchant (well, really just Dunn!) determine whether more is said. I believe you that it's that way on your homesite but there's something else that makes the whole deal bothersome.

am I misinterpreting this or are you scumreading furtive for saying SK is purple? (which it totally isn't btw)

can you help me off of CSF? i didn't vote but i was pretty ready to do so tbh. don't think enchant is a bad idea

after reading, i think enchant is better than CSF. CSF just doesn't have a lot of good posts. BBT was an early game lean scum and has not improved either - it does not help that the sole vote on BBT is CSF but that is an early guess - not a read of both players.

can you rephrase this part a bit? i'm not understanding your thoughts on CSF. ty!!

Enchant can I get a run down of your playstyle?

Deadline is in 3 days. I've seen people give 24 hours for CCs to a claim (although CCs don't seem particularly useful in this setup considering multiples of the same roles are very possible).

So when do we bite the bullet and put someone to E-1? We're only getting closer and closer. I don't have any super confident SRs rn so if people can start making clear and concise cases on who they think is the best choice that would be lovely

Conftown is on Enchant so probably the bookies' favourite (yes I'm British), my preferred choice is CSF (or even BBT).

I thought you were considering getting off CSF?

BBT why did you wait to bring up furtive angling/shading you until now?

I can't deny that my gameplay around enchant looks weird and I wouldn't want to let that go either. But I know inside that it's just a result of me talking like way too much. If I say everything I think I'm bound to say something that makes me look bad but obviously I accept the consequences I think my interactions with enchant reflect the rest of my gameplay though, trying to get info out of them and making them actually do things. They didn't and that sucked and I guess in hindsight I should've just policy'd the slot. I hope the rest of my game is enough to make up for my mistake!

[Gamma Emerald]

This doesn’t really mesh w what Infinity seemed to think I was TR CSF for

oh, i guess talk more about that then? (if you think it's important)

My idea is that meta-reliant players, like myself, tend to refer back to just-finished games to update reads. It seems like CSF is that kind of player and was doing so here. If CSF is scum here, that seems like extra effort to produce fake reads that based on Terminator, I don’t think she bothers with.

[Klick]

Froggo is hyper-focused on not dying.

[furtiveglance]

No way to live.

[Lucian]

Not my first choice, but I don't mind it. Can we get a claim from froggo?

When is this happening?

[Lucian]

I really do not care about a self-Town case, especially one like that.

[Infinity 324]

This doesn’t really mesh w what Infinity seemed to think I was TR CSF for

oh, i guess talk more about that then? (if you think it's important)

My idea is that meta-reliant players, like myself, tend to refer back to just-finished games to update reads. It seems like CSF is that kind of player and was doing so here. If CSF is scum here, that seems like extra effort to produce fake reads that based on Terminator, I don’t think she bothers with.

hmm ok, but it doesn't seem like it would be that much extra effort to fake reads in this way rather than another way?

[Infinity 324]

also btw, the towncase itself might not be that convincing, but i don't think i've ever seen scum do something like that

not that scum wouldn't, but it fits with froggo being really open this whole game and generally very towny