In post 257, Xayah wrote:I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way;
You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)
I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*
I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.
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many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good
This isn't my main account my main account is in my sig. Plus, I've been playing off site for a year where I have a 60% town WR and something in the 70s% wolf WR. So yeah, you could say I'm a bit confident in the way I read people but if a townread of mine put a stop to one of my pushes I'd hear it out and prob look elsewhere but obviously rn I have no reason to do so.
Please show where I called you a wolf? Just because I'm putting pressure on you doesn't mean I think you're a wolf rn.
My criticism of your approach relates to its effectiveness and accuracy - your response is that by meta you are quite effective.
I contrasted the accuracy rates of our approaches to the game as evidenced by success rates on D1 wagons we are on.
I am aware that you probably don't have a good read on me at this point in the game.
all the time and it rubs people the wrong way and I am trying to exercise restraint to take things a bit easier so that I don't get blacklisted by everyone on the site.
so I'm trying to not express every thought that passes through my head.
If there's something you'd like to talk about in terms of reads etc - I am happy to talk with you about anything.
In post 257, Xayah wrote:I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way;
You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)
I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*
I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.
*
many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good
This isn't my main account my main account is in my sig. Plus, I've been playing off site for a year where I have a 60% town WR and something in the 70s% wolf WR. So yeah, you could say I'm a bit confident in the way I read people but if a townread of mine put a stop to one of my pushes I'd hear it out and prob look elsewhere but obviously rn I have no reason to do so.
Please show where I called you a wolf? Just because I'm putting pressure on you doesn't mean I think you're a wolf rn.
My criticism of your approach relates to its effectiveness and accuracy - your response is that by meta you are quite effective.
I contrasted the accuracy rates of our approaches to the game as evidenced by success rates on D1 wagons we are on.
I am aware that you probably don't have a good read on me at this point in the game.
A sample size of three isn't really that big to begin with and that requires that I am using the same idea years ago in those games in these now. Both, are not really the case. I think this should really only become a concern if my reads are insanely wrong come D2 or you think I'm a wolf using this to advance the game state, I think only time will tell though!
Do you believe Meg's read on you comes from a place in good faith? Because from an outside pov it strikes me as quite odd.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
all the time and it rubs people the wrong way and I am trying to exercise restraint to take things a bit easier so that I don't get blacklisted by everyone on the site.
so I'm trying to not express every thought that passes through my head.
If there's something you'd like to talk about in terms of reads etc - I am happy to talk with you about anything.
You're perfectly fine to me! I'm told my tone can come across really cold/aloof at times when that's not my intent so I'm trying to use more relaxed typing or add more expression to it so I don't insult someone by mistake. If you want any more clarity on my reads or thoughts on a player do lmk.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
In post 228, Datisi wrote:galron kinda feels better than he did in that meme exploder game
VOTE: coral
coral!! what are your current thoughts on the gamestate, apart from the xayah read?
datisi!!
My current thought is that most people feel pretty towny, actually. I'm surprised that scamper says he has a lot of scumreads (and im really not sure what to think of him yet but i think i want to leave him alone for now). I think that even Xayah and Don's more recent posts feel at least a little townier. All that really means is that the game is probably not trivially easy. Looking over everyone else, though, I still am leaning towards Xayah and/or Don being scum. Probably my second tier would be Ari/scamper... and maybe Galron? maybe you? I don't know, the middle section of my reads has been moving around a lot. I'm most confident in Ausuka town. I agree with whoever mentioned a vibe townread on Meg, but that's a bit weak due to the low amount of posts.
Why are you in particular looking for people who are making easy pushes? Is that something you always do, or is it specific to this game? The way you called it out made it sound like it's something you came into this game with the idea of doing.
In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
Not necessarily but it's worth finding out isn't it?
Okay you're not seeing it the way I am. How does that make me maf?
I mean donempire wants an e-1 wagon and hasn't a reason for it other than to have it and review it. He doesn't even say it's for pressure. I think there'san actual reason to push here. I'd rather see an organic wagon.
why does that make him scum? i don't agree with the tactic but that doesnt make it scum motivated. the way youre presenting it feels disingenuous, i think it was obvious his scumread on me was legitimate even if he didn't have a fully fleshed out case but you act like he has no reason
In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
Not necessarily but it's worth finding out isn't it?
Okay you're not seeing it the way I am. How does that make me maf?
I mean donempire wants an e-1 wagon and hasn't a reason for it other than to have it and review it. He doesn't even say it's for pressure. I think there'san actual reason to push here. I'd rather see an organic wagon.
why does that make him scum? i don't agree with the tactic but that doesnt make it scum motivated. the way youre presenting it feels disingenuous, i think it was obvious his scumread on me was legitimate even if he didn't have a fully fleshed out case but you act like he has no reason
VOTE: Galron
Don't know what happened to my reply.
It was something like you don't see the thing I do, at least the way I'm seeing it. How does that make me maf?
In post 203, Datisi wrote:weren't a few other people pushing phoenix tho
okay, like. what i wanted to say is that i am on the lookout on people who are pushing potential townies for reasons that i don't exactly jive with. i'm not saying i have to agree, just that it makes sense even if i disagree. and your pushes around the two of those didn't make immediate sense to me. plus the fact i think they're town currently. and also the fact that singling in on one easy misyeet is risky because if that one somehow slips then you're in trouble, while testing the waters for multiple misyeets and seeing if there's any other easy ones would be Better. also pho could be your partner technically.
i did not feel like writing all of that out, so i hoped it would be self-evident by saying "scum wants easy stuff" sorry if it wasn't
pretend the paragraph is well-formatted, i'm about to sleep and i don't have the nerves to format it coherently
again, by your own definition i would say phoenix is significantly "easier" any way you look at it, and in a vacuum the newb-ish player is always going to be an easier yeet. the idea that us disagreeing on reads makes me scummy just feels like a very reductive way of thinking to me, like it feels like you're jumping to a conclusion rather than trying to figure out whether my reasoning is genuine or not
I don't agree with this. New players will be under a lot of scrutiny and they are more likely to make mistakes as scum, but they are also likely to make mistakes as town. Experienced players know this and dont bandwagon them blindly, and wait for harder tells. If anything a new player is harder to push because so many people town and scum will come to their defense claiming their inexperience means their posts are NAI. I havent seen if anyone did this regarding phoenix specifically, just saying that i dont agree with the idea that new players are easy to lim, i think calling anyone an easy mislim is just wrong. Even if its easier to push someone compared to someone else actually limming anyone requires about the same effort.
Since i say this i dont really jive well with dats reasoning that you are pushing easy mislims either. I think your pushes havent been the problem.
Removed the L word - Irrelephant11
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Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
Formerly Dongempire
In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
Not necessarily but it's worth finding out isn't it?
Lol, sure its worth finding out. What do you propose we do to find my alignment?
Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
Formerly Dongempire
btw, done, the l-word has been banned, so you probably shouldn't say it
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
i realized i started mixing up ari's and galron's posts because i only look at avatar colour schemes bc reading names is difficult
anyway i get approximately nothing of that ari/xayah discussion
In post 279, Coral wrote:Why are you in particular looking for people who are making easy pushes? Is that something you always do, or is it specific to this game? The way you called it out made it sound like it's something you came into this game with the idea of doing.
it's not something i generally do. after seeing scamper disagree with me, i thought it might be A Good Thing to keep in mind. i was not pre-planning on it, no.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 238, Xayah wrote:My only real strong TR atm is the replacement
can you talk about this if you haven't already?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
ari, is there a reason you followed me on done and galron but not coral?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 263, Ausuka wrote:Dats i don't really understand your read progression on coral?
yes
thank you datisi
also to circle back to this
there was no progression
i realized coral is doing A Thing that i often do as scum
her reply is *fine* i guess, i don't get much from it which is meh
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
that is partly a meme but i do townread ausuka so lol
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
