Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Aristeia]

also I'm not really even "pushing" you.

I suggested you might be scum.

I offered you/datisi a bop shot.

I have not voted for you or tried to kill you.

If I wanted to eliminate you, I would simply do that.

You continue to claim I am trying to yeet you without any consideration and that's literally not what I am doing in any fashion.

[Ausuka]

Whatever. I think I accidentally started caring about mafia too much. It doesn't matter who wins really so I'm just going to dip for a bit because I'm not enjoying this and i'll come back later when other people are around.

[Irrelephant11]

Official Vote Count 1.05

this egg is in an egg carton at the grocery store, and she gets along with her sister pretty well actually

Elimination

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to push someone through the dimensional barrier.

Aristeia

(3): MegAzumarill, Xayah, Ausuka

Galron

(2): Aristeia, scamper

Donempire

(1): Galron

Coral

(1): Datisi

scamper

(1): Donempire

Xayah

(1): Coral

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-08-05 07:46:36).

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[Aristeia]

What am I even supposed to do with that. You scumread me for reasons that don't make sense and when I point that out you say you don't care that it doesn't make sense because you care about being right.

It's like circular logic. You're right because you're right. Reasoning doesn't matter.

Figure out who is scum and yeet them.

If you are certain it is me, then yeet me.

That's more or less what you should be doing every game anyway?

[Ausuka]

ok then Yeet me. I'm unsure why you expect me to not think the bop could just be an opportunity to chain eliminate three townies rather than the alternative of hardpushing me which has a lot of uncertainty and is fairly likely to result in you dying d2.

[Datisi]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

which is why i wanted to let her do her thing and judge the results rather than the process (unless the process is obvtown)

ari, why am i scum other than being relaxed w ausuka?

[Aristeia]

if I am scum, I am perfectly capable of yeeting you and getting away with it.

I do not need to do some convoluted bop offer.

[Aristeia]

ari, why am i scum other than being relaxed w ausuka?

I think your reaction to the miller claim didn't feel uninformed and you're the person most likely to be ok with Ausuka fake-claiming miller right away.

[Donempire]

Got confirmation from the mod. Daychats were enabled from the moment role pms were sent out, not from day start. I'll talk about it a bit more later, just thought i'd let you guys know rn

[Aristeia]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

what am i even doing this game that you think is scum!indicative?

[Datisi]

ari, why am i scum other than being relaxed w ausuka?

I think your reaction to the miller claim didn't feel uninformed and you're the person most likely to be ok with Ausuka fake-claiming miller right away.

you know i tend to err on the side of miller claims being +town???

[Datisi]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

what am i even doing this game that you think is scum!indicative?

coming specifically from you, nothing

in general, a lot of things

i'd be calling for your head if you proposed a bop like that and had the scumteam you have with the flimsy reasoning you do if you were anyone else

[Aristeia]

not properly caught up w the last few pages but the reason i'm not too sure this comes from scum!ari is because town!her often does thinks that i think are scummy. like i was thinking her play way incredibly scum indicative when we were in a town hydra together. i do not trust myself to read her properly

what am i even doing this game that you think is scum!indicative?

coming specifically from you, nothing

in general, a lot of things

i'd be calling for your head if you proposed a bop like that and had the scumteam you have with the flimsy reasoning you do if you were anyone else

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Aristeia]

:melting:

[scamper]

I shall probably need help with some stuff as in a bit of clarification on if some reads are based on familiarity or based on things in this thread (if that makes sense) it's my biggest disconnect with this game rn

ftr i have no completed games on this account and am not bringing past stuff into things too much, if its a meta read or w/e i will try to make it understandable in the context of this game

[scamper]

Don't know what happened to my reply.

It was something like you don't see the thing I do, at least the way I'm seeing it. How does that make me maf?

because i think trying to misrepresent what someone is saying in order to push him is scummy and the way you argued it was a very superficial representation of what don was saying

[scamper]

weren't a few other people pushing phoenix tho

okay, like. what i wanted to say is that i am on the lookout on people who are pushing potential townies for reasons that i don't exactly jive with. i'm not saying i have to agree, just that it makes sense even if i disagree. and your pushes around the two of those didn't make immediate sense to me. plus the fact i think they're town currently. and also the fact that singling in on one easy misyeet is risky because if that one somehow slips then you're in trouble, while testing the waters for multiple misyeets and seeing if there's any other easy ones would be Better. also pho could be your partner technically.

i did not feel like writing all of that out, so i hoped it would be self-evident by saying "scum wants easy stuff" sorry if it wasn't

pretend the paragraph is well-formatted, i'm about to sleep and i don't have the nerves to format it coherently

again, by your own definition i would say phoenix is significantly "easier" any way you look at it, and in a vacuum the newb-ish player is always going to be an easier yeet. the idea that us disagreeing on reads makes me scummy just feels like a very reductive way of thinking to me, like it feels like you're jumping to a conclusion rather than trying to figure out whether my reasoning is genuine or not

I don't agree with this. New players will be under a lot of scrutiny and they are more likely to make mistakes as scum, but they are also likely to make mistakes as town. Experienced players know this and dont bandwagon them blindly, and wait for harder tells.

If anything a new player is harder to push because so many people town and scum will come to their defense claiming their inexperience means their posts are NAI.

I havent seen if anyone did this regarding phoenix specifically, just saying that i dont agree with the idea that new players are easy to lynch, i think calling anyone an easy mislynch is just wrong. Even if its easier to push someone compared to someone else actually lynching anyone requires about the same effort.

Since i say this i dont really jive well with dats reasoning that you are pushing easy mislynches either. I think your pushes havent been the problem.

tyhis is verging into theory territory, but i disagree with this. in general i think with more experience a player becomes harder to elim (unless they have a very obvious meta). in a pl like this you can basically predict who the likely elims are regardless of alignment, certain people are just never going to get voted day 1 so the elim is likely to default to someone with less charisma. phoenix is clearly capable of puttin words together nicely but in a table where no one knows his meta he woulsd have been an easy push, imo

(of course, i am currently voting his replacement...)

[scamper]

meg is still townie.

the wiki link was funny but i also find it townie. it doesn't win favours it doesn't "look" townie but it's showing a thought process.

ari is also lowkey townie. the agruing with xayah doesn't do much for her position in game which like. idk why scum!her would care kinda. yes this is directly going against what i said earlier about their convo, fight me

every other slot feels muddy

ama

what on earth is this read.........................................

[scamper]

meg is still townie. the wiki link was funny but i also find it townie. it doesn't win favours it doesn't "look" townie but it's showing a thought process.

ari is also lowkey townie. the agruing with xayah doesn't do much for her position in game which like. idk why scum!her would care kinda. yes this is directly going against what i said earlier about their convo, fight me

every other slot feels muddy

ama

Interesting, i think he's town as well. The content of his posts arent what convinces me, but rather i think the scum have a stranglehold on the conversation and someone as inactive as him wouldnt be able to manipulate the discourse as much as it has been manipulated. The days are going agonizingly slowly and nothings getting done, even though there have been many opportunities for cross examination and wagons.

Which brings me to the point that of the 3 most active users, meaning ari, you and ausuka, one of you is almost certainly scum. The reason i didnt include xayah is she seems to distanced from the general discourse and seems to be doing her own thing.

this also feels somewhat contrived and arbitrary honestly
with the caveat that i am not stating these are my reads, it is entirely possible for there to be games where active town goes in circles while scum lurks it out, especially when one of the active towns you mentioned is strongly suspecting the other
i'm not scumreading meg but i wouldn't clear them for being inactive...

[scamper]

also the scamper scumcase when you can pls

I gave up on it.

why is that?

[scamper]

fwiw i think ari's paranoia of the miller claim is likely coming from a town mindset

[MegAzumarill]

I honestly have no clue how anything Ari has been doing in the last few pages could come from a town mindset. It's vague, weak, circular arguements for a read that hasn't been fleshed out since day 2.

[scamper]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

You hit the nail on the head. What would the reasons you mentioned be? Gut, any posts? Because you're correct, but i wanna see you solve this yourself first.

they have a level of comfort interacting with each other that I think is missing in their interactions with other people.

i think this is if anything decent evidence they are *not* the scumteam

i don't think this day 1 hero solve type of mindset is likely to succeed (bcuz your chances of getting the exact team are way lower than just getting one scum) but i do think it's a townie thought process

(and i'm not sayng workldbuilding/theorizing is bad, i have had thoughts running through my head ive just kept them to myself ostly)

[scamper]

I lowkey think maybe the scum team is just Ausuka/Datisi for ~reasons~ but I want Dats to roll town with me finally so I am going to hope it's just no true ^^

You hit the nail on the head. What would the reasons you mentioned be? Gut, any posts? Because you're correct, but i wanna see you solve this yourself first.

they have a level of comfort interacting with each other that I think is missing in their interactions with other people.

Sadly that is probably NAI. They are familiar, they've been friendly since page 1.
I think the miller claim is something we should be thinking about more and how it pertains to an Ausuka/datisi team, specifically ausuka's alignment. First post says that scum have daychat, but it doesnt say if the daychat opened before the game started or once the day began. Normally, daychat starts before the game does, so a miller claim could have been strategized beforehand. If not, there is no way i see scum!ausuka fakeclaiming miller without consulting with her buddy, she posted 10 minutes after game started.

@Irrelephant can we get info on when the daychat was enabled, before or after day began?

this feels fairly random and now i'm wondering if you were looking for a way to ask about daychat to get townread.....

[Donempire]

i think this is if anything decent evidence they are *not* the scumteam

I also think that being comfortable talking to each other is not indicative of being a scumteam, however i dont think it excludes them from being scum together either. If anything its NAI. If i got paired with a friend in a scumteam i would be as buddy buddy with them as i always would, so this is not indicative of anything imo