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[Klick]

Votecount 1.8

Galron (6)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, redcardinal, Haschel Cedricson, KittyTacky, Seanzie

Crescent (1)

- Galron

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Malakittens (1)

- UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

Seanzie (1)

- EATEROFTIME

Not Voting (3)

- Crescent, Eiralox, T3

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-06 01:33:48).

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Behold, more frogs.

Galron is at E-1.

This is one VC but it's the fifth one in a row with 5+ votes on Galron and no other wagon with 3+ votes.

UNVOTE:

I want mala's fresh scumreads before you die

redcardinal unvotes and lightly pressures Mala

UNVOTE: Galron

VOTE: KittyTacky

VOTE: malakittens

redcardinal sees a chance to kill the Galron wagon momentum, votes Mala (a reasonable choice to go for a miselim probably? No one but Gamma seems to townread Mala at this point)

This then goes nowhere

Votecount 1.10

Galron (7)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, Haschel Cedricson, KittyTacky, redcardinal, Seanzie, T3

Malakittens (1)

- UltimateDetectiveKiriGiri

Crescent (1)

- Galron

Eiralox (1)

- schadd_

Seanzie (1)

- Enchant

Not Voting (2)

- Crescent, Eiralox

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-06 01:33:48).

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and redcardinal makes sure to get her vote back on Galron before the wagon gets hammered.

[Klick]

I'm rarely confident in my scumreads compared to my townreads but I would struggle to see a world where I'm wrong on redcardinal here.

[Klick]

I've kind of gone off schadd_ as partner
Haschel and KT would both make decent sense

[Klick]

But for now, lunch break is over, goodbye friends

[T3]

Why?

KT not offering any content today other than this and defending himself

What doesn’t sit right is KT sheeting redcardinal

What does "sheeting" mean?

Sheeping, autocorrect.

[Enchant]

Why autocorrect even autocorrects something on SHEETING

[Enchant]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

[Haschel Cedricson]

But i didn't do anything with Galron, i literally was not here.

Fair, I thought you replaced in earlier than you did. Your predecessor also didn't mention Galron, although I suppose they didn't really mention anybody except their RVS vote.

This feels like a really odd justification for not including Enchant in your set of people who actively or passively wanted the Eiralox elimination. Enchant did hammer Eiralox

It just doesn't feel like something Enchant wanted. I don't put too much stock in hammers, especially when other players are begging the rest of the game to hammer. If you want to put them on the passive list that's fine.

Do you have any confident reads Haschel?

I have confident townreads on T3 and Seanzie. After Eiralox flipped green despite scummy play I'm not comfortable saying anybody is

definitely

scum, but my gut says it's two of you/KT/Schadd.

Speaking of which, you completely ignored the last thing I said about KT. So,

Vote: KittyTacky

.

[T3]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

Not offering any content or reads and just sheeping someone?

[Enchant]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

Not offering any content or reads and just sheeping someone?

Yeah.

[Klick]

Speaking of which, you completely ignored the last thing I said about KT.

I didn't really have anything to say about it
I don't agree that schadd_ is a particularly weird choice of roleblock target

[Haschel Cedricson]

Speaking of which, you completely ignored the last thing I said about KT.

I didn't really have anything to say about it
I don't agree that schadd_ is a particularly weird choice of roleblock target

Elaborate on that.

[Klick]

Like if schadd is on a scumteam he's not really unlikely to be the one submitting a kill

Actually I suppose schadd isn't that likely to be scum with someone like Enchant/Mala/myself due to that block? Because he'd likely submit a kill in those combinations

PEdit: can in a bit, putting kids to bed

[Seanzie]

Like if schadd is on a scumteam he's not really unlikely to be the one submitting a kill

Actually I suppose schadd isn't that likely to be scum with someone like Enchant/Mala/myself due to that block? Because he'd likely submit a kill in those combinations

PEdit: can in a bit, putting kids to bed

I don't really agree with this read. Schadd was 1. more active/more on people's minds, and 2. better placed, than any of those other slots, so I think all else held equal Schadd would be less likely to carry the kill in fear of things like watcher (don't want your deepwolf going down because they submitted a kill) and because PRs tend to target their strongest scumread, which often is someone who is active enough to actually be scrutinized.

However, I do give the conclusion weight for a different reason; Schadd being vanilla AND not submitting the kill makes them on the lower-probability side of possible scum, unless of course both remaining scum are vanilla, but I kind of doubt that's the case.

[Klick]

First of all, I think redcardinal is a particularly unlikely player for KT!town to decide to roleblock specifically because KT had expressed suspicion of redcardinal; if KT's goal was to actually block a kill with a roleblock, he'd need to target someone who did not particularly expect to be roleblocked. Schadd is a fine guess for 'scum who would submit a kill' and probably one of my top choices if I were in KT's shoes.

And thinking about it I think redcardinal/schadd is also unlikely because schadd probably kills on that team as well

[Klick]

Like if schadd is on a scumteam he's not really unlikely to be the one submitting a kill

Actually I suppose schadd isn't that likely to be scum with someone like Enchant/Mala/myself due to that block? Because he'd likely submit a kill in those combinations

PEdit: can in a bit, putting kids to bed

I don't really agree with this read. Schadd was 1. more active/more on people's minds, and 2. better placed, than any of those other slots, so I think all else held equal Schadd would be less likely to carry the kill in fear of things like watcher (don't want your deepwolf going down because they submitted a kill) and because PRs tend to target their strongest scumread, which often is someone who is active enough to actually be scrutinized.

However, I do give the conclusion weight for a different reason; Schadd being vanilla AND not submitting the kill makes them on the lower-probability side of possible scum, unless of course both remaining scum are vanilla, but I kind of doubt that's the case.

I suppose it's a 'minimise risk of getting targeted' vs 'minimise damage if you are targeted' thing. I feel like scum are more likely to try to do the former in this situation, especially with one scum already down

[Haschel Cedricson]

However, I do give the conclusion weight for a different reason; Schadd being vanilla AND not submitting the kill makes them on the lower-probability side of possible scum, unless of course both remaining scum are vanilla, but I kind of doubt that's the case.

A KT/Schadd team is still on the table, in which case Schadd could have submitted the kill because he wasn't actually roleblocked.

Preview Edit: If you are a town roleblocker, then it's reasonable to assume that the scum have power roles of their own. In that case you block your top scumread because either 1) You stop the kill, which hurts scum, or 2) Somebody else submitted the kill but it's likely you stopped the mafia from using one of their other powers, which hurts scum.

[Klick]

Preview Edit: If you are a town roleblocker, then it's reasonable to assume that the scum have power roles of their own. In that case you block your top scumread because either 1) You stop the kill, which hurts scum, or 2) Somebody else submitted the kill but it's likely you stopped the mafia from using one of their other powers, which hurts scum.

I have my own thoughts on this, but I'd like to hear KT give a response to this post first

[Seanzie]

Like if schadd is on a scumteam he's not really unlikely to be the one submitting a kill

Actually I suppose schadd isn't that likely to be scum with someone like Enchant/Mala/myself due to that block? Because he'd likely submit a kill in those combinations

PEdit: can in a bit, putting kids to bed

I don't really agree with this read. Schadd was 1. more active/more on people's minds, and 2. better placed, than any of those other slots, so I think all else held equal Schadd would be less likely to carry the kill in fear of things like watcher (don't want your deepwolf going down because they submitted a kill) and because PRs tend to target their strongest scumread, which often is someone who is active enough to actually be scrutinized.

However, I do give the conclusion weight for a different reason; Schadd being vanilla AND not submitting the kill makes them on the lower-probability side of possible scum, unless of course both remaining scum are vanilla, but I kind of doubt that's the case.

I suppose it's a 'minimise risk of getting targeted' vs 'minimise damage if you are targeted' thing. I feel like scum are more likely to try to do the former in this situation, especially with one scum already down

I personally play differently (in most situations where I have a low-poster scum in my scumchat I ask them to submit the kill since I usually don't play to sweep/win by a ton, but to win, and so I always try to keep someone who can carry in the best position possible, and low-posters usually cannot carry as they get PoE'd too easily), but sure, I can see why others might make another choice there. My point is that it definitely isn't something I'd clear those teams off of.

[T3]

I don’t think scum KT calls attention to scum schadd though

[T3]

Also it's normal for Kitty.

Not offering any content or reads and just sheeping someone?

Yeah.

…link?

[schadd_]

These are not the scum you're looking for.

Out of Mala/Klick/Haschel, who do you think is most likely scum and who is most likely town?

i'm still pretty willing to believe mala is town. as i said i got frustrated by her a lot yesterday & i wanted to like go back on my claim that her sort of limited interaction with the game is town-indicative, but then the fact that i wanted that is a sign that she's not like intervening to keep it up. if that makes sense. anyway i also think gamma's townread on her is compelling. it sounded like they have a history and i guess i just feel like there would be a good basis to get a read on mala. & i think she was always confidently town on mala

klick hasn't ever made me feel particularly like they're town. they don't have much of a sense that they're reacting to/processing how the game is going, and especially for d2 that seems a little bit more true than the replacement gives it reason to be. like when you hop in when there's stuff going on, you have the choice of keeping up with the present and getting the ball rolling quickly or just rereading the old stuff. maybe thats a personal choice, i don't know. it seemed like they were playing very uninteractively. i'd struggle to find a good partner for them, maybe like enchant or something. i do think kiri giri's posting abt galron mildly matches up with how you'd expect someone to try to defend a partner, it's interesting that they were really the only person that tried to do it

haschel more or less matches up with how i expect geriatric town players to play (geriatric being a term that refers to people who played on here like 10+ years ago and are used to a slower and maybe more straightforward game). he has a kind of high standard of analysis and questioning that reminds me of when i played with channel delibird 2 ish yrs ago. i vaguely expect that as scum he would be trying harder to push a scum wincon or like, actively seem to be town. there's nothing impenetrable here but i don't really wanna vote him & have continually not for maybe since d1

i assume you (seanzie) aren't like softing an inno on kitty here. in any case i think that it's extremely odd that he didn't die, to the extent that it occurs to me to say he's more likely scum than not; i don't remember the last time i've seen a scumteam on this site let a claimed pr live over somebody who couldn't reasonably have seemed to be a pr. i don't wanna vote him now because i dont think theres enough of a benefit that it outweighs the pr but that stands out to me a lot in any case. i've felt he's very marginally town based on play during the day. also no idea who his partner would be

Before you ask, the one from Schadd is more detailed and has quotes because that's the one I did first.

ok well why did you do me first.

.

i suppose i can't abide by the claim that it's scum-indicative for me to have been pushing eiralox. as i said i think there was ample reason to be scumreading them and i guess i meant it in a "yes even if eiralox is town" sort of way. and of course here we are

Foreshadowing on purpose? Later starts to tie Eiralox to Galron.

idk what you mean by foreshadowing. i dont think i ever felt the ties btwn eiralox and galron were very strong

What about a KT/Schadd pairing? This would require KT bussing Galron but otherwise fits. Nobody ever bothered to ask this for some reason and it's kind of too late now, but

why did KT roleblock Schadd

?

maybe you won't care to hear it from me but i did comment on that pairing in 1451. Somehow i dont think its very likely. incidentally i'll say that eiralox did ask kitty that in 899 (i noticed that post i think because i was looking for instances where they asked ppl questions)

Re: schadd_
Yeah I thought RC was pretty scummy during the night but now I don't think so. The Klick case made sense to me.

What about it specifically made sense to you?
I understand people feeling vaguely poor about this slot due to relative inactivity/optics, but redcardinal didn't really provide any evidence for my slot being scum outside of a personal theory of the scumteam

i'm also interested in this. yeah, there's like barely a case

I don't really agree with this read. Schadd was 1. more active/more on people's minds, and 2. better placed, than any of those other slots, so I think all else held equal Schadd would be less likely to carry the kill in fear of things like watcher (don't want your deepwolf going down because they submitted a kill) and because PRs tend to target their strongest scumread, which often is someone who is active enough to actually be scrutinized.

However, I do give the conclusion weight for a different reason; Schadd being vanilla AND not submitting the kill makes them on the lower-probability side of possible scum, unless of course both remaining scum are vanilla, but I kind of doubt that's the case.

in my experience people on this site almost always proceed by trying to avoid tracker/jailer/roleblocker/alien than watcher. maybe the way i rattled off the roles hints at why i think that is. i'll also say watcher is uncommon, it appears half as often as tracker (alone) in normals. i think there's other reasons as well

as for that second thing: i literally said that yeah. i guess its hard to blame someone for not reading 1451

[schadd_]

incidentally i'll say that eiralox did ask kitty that in 899 (i noticed that post i think because i was looking for instances where they asked ppl questions)

oh and he did answer even. 909

[schadd_]

I appreciate Enchant backing me up here, town points for them,

i saw this again and thot it was funny. probably i should have townread it. maybe i kind of did