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[Mapuche Never Die]

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

though i am now kinda curious what else you could have thought i was trying to say there (also to me i am simply saying it not trying to say but i understand that i am often unclear and am happy to clarify)

I didn't really know. I mean, I think talking about my opener being textbook RVS seems somewhat nonsensical? It's the very start of the game, there aren't many options.

I don't really have a feeling about hoppip. Maybe I will later, idk.

Pedit: I'm trying to ask, like, what are you getting at with what you're saying? Were you just narrating my play?

you made very common opener, which you were aware of and said when asked, i guess i was thinking through the noteworthiness of nuclear gandhi's questioning of it and your response to it

shrug

i guess i don't really understand as it still kinda feels like you're just doing the engagement thing with me but that's more player indicative and not alignment indicative so

This post is another classic scumtell. Inutile shades Ausuka but walks it back and says that it’s something player indicative. Like, why even make that post in the first place if your conclusion is just that it’s NAI.

[Mapuche Never Die]

hmm

VOTE: inutile

can you at least do whatever it is you would do to sort me as it feels like the extent of your scumread if you're town is simply that i do not communicate effectively which is obvious and i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias

Inutile tries to frame Ausuka’s scumread as inutile being unable to effectively communicate, which is just false. If I was not catching up, my vote would be on Intuile.

[Mapuche Never Die]

You seem to have this idea in your head that I'm tunneled

You're the only one who said anything about being tunneled, I just said you were Town. You can't say I've implied you have bad reads either because I'm trusting your read on Ghandi.

I mean, you said I didn't notice your read because I was distracted by fighting with inutile. That seems to imply my read with inutile is distracting me from reading other players somehow. I am suggesting that your scumread is not that obvious and you should talk about it because there's no use in being vague about that information.

I actually think you've got me here and that everything you're saying in 53 is true.

I have three reasons mainly for not outing the scum slot yet:

• I want them to post more before they become alarmed so that it will be easier to look for their partners on later days.
  
  I want them to participate in my survey start and if I out my scum read on them first they probably won't want to do that.
  
  I want to give other players a chance to find them without me spoiling it.

I can tell you that I'm pretty sure I'm using spatial working memory to identify where to look rather than verbal working memory.

Is your scumread deltawave lol

[Mapuche Never Die]

i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias

This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energy

VOTE: Inutile

Ooh, yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

inutile is being replaced.

[Mapuche Never Die]

but yes i would like to find the mafias i do not really get what you’re saying

yeah that's the point of the game. the problem is that it's sus imo to try too hard to look town

eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town just stating a preference for ausuka to directly sort me now as to not detract from game

but eh the issues you’re having with me here have been fairly common experiences for me throughout so shrug

“I do not think I was trying particularly hard to look town”

This post comes from the perspective of someone who considers deliberately trying to look town a possibility.
Intuile is just scum

[Mapuche Never Die]

inutile is being replaced.

lmao nice timing

[DeltaWave]

hmm

VOTE: inutile

can you at least do whatever it is you would do to sort me as it feels like the extent of your scumread if you're town is simply that i do not communicate effectively which is obvious and i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias

Inutile tries to frame Ausuka’s scumread as inutile being unable to effectively communicate, which is just false. If I was not catching up, my vote would be on Intuile.

i've been there before.

anyway, UNVOTE: Mapuche Never Die

here are my thoughts as they stand:

Mapuche Never Die - holding off on judgment due to replacement

BlueBloodedToffee - in the scumpool for hopping into furtive's reasoning in the way that he did and then sticking to the guns in what i thought was an obvious post-hoc rationalization.

DeltaWave - never trusted this person, she didn't do the survey

furtiveglance - i'm pretty sure you're town. i see town reasoning behind a lot of your actions.

Frogsterking - frankly, you fell into a blindspot for me and i haven't been thinking about you. I need to examine this slot more.

Greeting - i am bothered by the almost-hammer on juice. there is NO utility for town to end the day as early as that. especially when much of the juicewagon was a combination of pressure/policy elimination.

hutmeil - asuka's reasoning about this slot is persuasive to me

Ausuka - if you're scum you deserve the tony award.

hoppip - i assumed this user was a clueless noob who somehow got into a normal game but they are apparently an alt. so I need to re-read the ISO with that in mind.

Eiralox - in the scumpool for reasons i already stated

inutile - i think you're probably town. not nearly as strong of a read as asuka or furtive but i'll roll with you for a while.

Mohab500 - idk, this might be time for a pressurewagon like with juice.

Nuclear Gandhi - i don't think you're scummy based on what i've seen but i'd really like to see a summary of the game from your perspective rather than the play-by-play. you're too far behind and will NEVER catch up.

in short:

townpool: asuka, furtive (if either is scum i will be legit surprised)
leaning townpool: inutile, gandhi (slight lean, not as much as inutile)
further examination needed: frogsterking, mohab
judgment withheld due to replacement: MND
didn't know he was an alt so i have to re-read: hoppip
leaning scumpool: greeting (i really really did not like the intent to hammer juice - it's just way too early to hammer anybody and it gives me GREAT CONCERN)
scumpool: BBT, eiralox, hutmail

also, i might actually do the survey when i'm less tired. probably tomorrow. i don't see how it will help but ok. my MBTI type is ENTP.

[DeltaWave]

inutile is being replaced.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Mapuche Never Die]

eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town just stating a preference for ausuka to directly sort me now as to not detract from game

But you

were trying

to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.
VOTE: inutile

Inutile and Asuka both townlocked.

Please do elaborate on your Inutile townread. Are you like super familiar playing with them? I couldn't even comprehend what they were trying to say, not to mention trying to read them - best I could come up with was they were flabbergasted from wolf stress. That is, until their "I wasn't trying to look town

that much

" which I think has a chance of being a slip.

We came to the exact same conclusion based on that post which is usually weak +townpoints

[Mapuche Never Die]

eh do not think i was trying particularly hard there to look town

But you were trying to look town? I consider this as admission for guilt.

Does anyone else believe this's a stretch read?

you've already tried to rephrase it as something very different from what i even said so it is so hard for me to see this as anything more than you want to say i am mafia whether that is because you are mafia or because you simply think this is likely (which again kinda hard for me to see) but idrk

like i was directly replying to delta wave saying i was possibly trying too hard to look town which i was not that isn't what was occurring and you are instead saying that i was saying that i was trying to look like a town because i am not a town which doesn't really follow

and well town should try to be townread greeting and i have discussed that at some length in a previous game however i wasn't even thinking about that at all at the time

Town gets townread by solving the game, not by manipulating other players into believing they are town.

[Mapuche Never Die]

Vote: Inutile

I am just on the wagon, trying to lynch some rando early on good strat

i would rather this not continue to detract from us finding mafias

This has big "how do you do fellow kids" energy

VOTE: Inutile

What do you think of the rest of its posts?

frankly most of it confuses me and it seems like lots of weird rationalizations. unless this user is normally on edge all the time, it looks bad

I mean, inutile seems to have a pretty blatant anxious sort of personality. and like, I don't think anyone would be confusing on purpose? So I'm unclear why you're scumreading them for this here

Ausuka’s reevaluation of Intuile is towny - the Intuile wagon was picking up speed and I don’t see why scum!Ausuka, the main driver of the wagon, would stop it

[DeltaWave]

MND, are you an alt. I assume so.

you're making some really good points btw

[Nero Cain]

Asuka, BBT and Delta Wave I think seem the most town

now watch this be the scum team.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero Cain replaces inutile.

[Nero Cain]

gonna vote with my gut for now and see how I feel once I read the rest of the game.

VOTE: Ausuka

[Nero Cain]

This is a pretty standard game opener for this site

At first, I thought this was pretty scummy it's like

oh this is standard, nothing to see here!

but rereading it it's maybe not really scummy but then I felt like she comes off a bit conscious with the lite OMGUS is 38.

I know I'm tunneling a bit but the Frog/Ausuka back and forth on p.3 felt like theatre and his deceleration that Ausuka/inutile are both town made me worry that he knew I was town and Ausuka/inutile both being town was a false dilemma.

Shading can only be done by wolves?

I mentioned this in another game and you are correct but ppl nowadays throw out the shade word for anyone that disagrees/criticizes them.

I believe Inutile is Town because of their fight with Asuka. Scum are rarely going to square off like that at the beginning of the game.

The last time I played with someone that used this as justification for reading a slot they were scum. Not to mention that it's just poor reasoning.

Once I saw Eir and Greeting both voted Ghandi

silly take

I would like to see frogs case on Gandhi.

[Nero Cain]

I believe Gandhi is manipulative because they're charismatic.

I am super unimpressed.

[hutmeil]

It seems as though I completely misjudged the type of player

furtiveglance

is. I overlooked that furtiveglance is creative because of their style of presentation. Also it appears as though I misjudged their low neuroticism as high conscientiousness which makes sense.

...anyway, I'm seeing some things from

hutmeil

which make me suspicious. 526 pings me hard as being too accommodating. This is something which I've experienced twice before in much larger games coming from scum slots who get eliminated early.

What's wrong with being accomodating? Ausuka susses me, which she is wrong btw, so I want help her see that I'm town considering I'm TRing the slot(for now).

525 is starting to get repetitive. I think the reason it's repetitive is because hutmeil is keen to answer this question wherever it pops up because they have an answer for it.

What? Someone asked me a question and I answered it. Given it's Gandhi who's trying to catch up, I'm trying to be polite and answer him and give him a link to a previous post.

527 is a little lamist and could be an excuse to get off the Juice wagon.

VOTE: hutmeil

My opinion is that hutmeil is scum who is leaning into aspects of their town game quite effectively and not making a lot of obvious mistakes. I think they failed to anticipate the shift in attitude surrounding the Juice slot and got caught in an awkward position. I feel like this is a big lead for Town and I could use help with critical thinking to make sure I'm not getting confbiased.

OR it was the right thing to do. Juice got replaced so the slot deserved a second chance.

I checked his meta and while he isn't the most active player - there is *definitely* something missing here.

VOTE: hutmeil

I get the vote on me sure. Anything I can answer for you to help ease your mind?

I want to acknowledge that I saw this but I think telling you what would ease my mind so you can do those things probably isn't a good idea.

Okay I get that too. I've no problem with that.

I have a total batshit theory now where the UK/Eastern players are Town and the scum are all hiding in the slots playing in US/Western timezones.

Given that logic I'm town then.

My opinion is that hutmeil is scum who is leaning into aspects of their town game quite effectively and not making a lot of obvious mistakes.

tbh hutmeil feels frozen and if he's town then he's kind of an easy target - I would be surprised that mafia didn't target him in that case

^This. After you've put pressure on me, Frog followed suit with unconvincing reasons just to put a vote on me. Trying to test the water perhaps if anyone else will follow suit?

[Nero Cain]

ok so, at this point I'm conflicted about how I feel. I didn't find Gandhi scummy and thought that Frogs reasoning was silly but 327 is a little odd. He

WAS

here for the first 4 pages so I'm not sure why he's commenting on it. You could maybe make the argument that he's newb scum that tried to lurk off the pressure on him and then come back and voted his attacker.

but also

Frogs unvote is really really weird. If he thinks Gandhi is scum why unvote and join a smaller wagon?

Nuclear Gandhi (3): Eiralox, Greeting, Juice
Juice (2): furtiveglance, Frogsterking

Town gets townread by solving the game, not by manipulating other players into believing they are town.

maybe in a normal world but not here.

[Eiralox]

egh alea jecta est

VOTE: hoppip


@gandhi can shift back to u on a needle's drop

This a pretty bad vote, it seems pretty obvious you only voted me because Ausuka opened the door for you. Or maybe you're just hiding behind her as cover? Either way, very slimy.

nope. If

you

read what I said you would have clearly seen me freely expressing my intent to vote between you and gandhi some time before ausuka's vote. so no.

[Eiralox]

by game related i don't mean asking people to do something but proactively hunting yourself. asking others to hunt while you aren't doing much hunting yourself is by default not a game-advancing strategy in my mind. I can bear lurkers. what always pings me tho is lurkey slots accusing other slots of being lurkey. if those slots vote there.... well then my ping becomes a bell tolling in my skull.

cos i get inutile seemed very, very very scummy the first few pages. I shared that vibe. But through later actions inutile remains in my townlocks. So would scum hopip focus like this on inutile? not a factor in my analyses. In general, in wording, by votes, I just have no idea what inutile is thinking or doing. And it feels.... did Ausuka say slimy? Sorta?


well......

Looks like another misrep to me. Two in fact.

Eira, I'll give you another chance, but you only get one! Go into my ISO and quote where I said I scum read inutile. Next, show proof that I haven't been scum hunting. Do both and I'll role claim right now! Otherwise you're gonna have to work extra hard to convince me that you're town after telling blatant lies~

again, no. I build cases in my own way, in my own time, and right now im not voting you. convince you i'm town? I don't care. I'm not here to convince others but to fulfill my purpose.

[Eiralox]

i'll come back later. the replacements are saying some weird things. Delta thinks i'm scum and i still have no idea why, either false case or emotionally based is my feel. hoppip seems more town, we'll see. hutmeil i'll talk about when I can, been a hidey slot all game and only now, after pressure, pops up. greeting remains a good vote, it might not achieve much but i can conceive scum there. gandhi gave us 2 walls. i'll comment when i can.

[Nero Cain]

My initial thinking is that

BlueBloodedToffee
furtiveglance
hutmeil
hoppip
Eiralox
Mohab500
Nuclear Gandhi

are all likelier town slots and

Mapuche Never Die
DeltaWave
Frogsterking
Greeting
Ausuka

are on the scummy side.

I might be a little more suspicious of Gandhi now. Before MND replaced in I was thinking "yeah hey Juice could be lurk scum." and clearly I don't like this misread of my slot. I also don't really get

If I was not catching up, my vote would be on Intuile.

though I guess the alternate reading would be that he doesn't have a hood b/c his scumbuddies would tell them its safe to vote there.

Mapuche Never Die - holding off on judgment due to replacement

but he just posted 12 times above this, why do you need to wait for more cotent? What are his good points?

[Eiralox]

Inutile was my townlock. Nero remains so. while on the face of it mapuche and delta feel town i withhold judgement for now. I'd love to vote gandhi again, i'm giving that slot like a day more before i decide fuck it let's push. greeting remains scummy to me, they are on a hoppip/hutmeil/mapuche level and yet acted as if they weren't, which I also mentioned about toffee earlier. bye.