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[Something_Smart]

Don't do that. As scum I constantly angle around "there's no way townie X gets out of being eliminated here" and I constantly get surprised by it. And I love it when townies do this because a lot of the time the town will just shrug their shoulders and go along with it.

Pedit: @shea

[Thestatusquo]

No one is interacting with what I'm saying or taking me seriously so if the way I have to get my reads actually considered is to be elimmed then thats what I'll do.

I'll also enjoy Nero and frogster being wrong but I don't think either of them are the type to admit when they're wrong.

[Ydrasse]

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[Ydrasse]

i think people are taking you plenty seriously lol

[Gamma Emerald]

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

[Thestatusquo]

Eh, fuck it VOTE: thestatusquo

Game isn't going anywhere until you flip me so might as well just do it. It's distracting the game too much.

I'll continue to be here and post thoughts.

Why dude we've been in this day for like 10 minutes

And the only people who have said I'm town are you and marci and not a single one of the things I've said about people being scum are being taken seriously so frankly I see the writing on the wall and since I'm the biggest road block in the POE lists the only thing that makes sense is to remove me from them.

[Nero Cain]

as far as me getting into arguments go. I don't want to say that ONLY town get into arguments b/c scum with a backbone is a thing but town ARE more likely to get bent out of shape over being misread. Obviously, Balter and I are got into it last game b/c we were misreading each other. Here, clearly he was scum and was avoiding that and most people other than maybe Gamma are not really arguing with it. It's a shitty point.

Arguing with what?

@Nero I want this answered because idk what you're talking about but the specific name drop of me is a bit bothering

you are pushing back against me

[Gamma Emerald]

on what subject?

[Datisi]

re shea's 3061:

i feel like if we keep arguing about (2), it's going to be a huge mess that doesn't go anywhere. ultimately my response is that that's just not how i think when playing this game. if i see you call a group of people scummy for something (or at least if it looks like you're doing that, cough), i'm not gonna be thinking about your past progressions and where each person was in your reads prior to that event. i wanna see how you sort them within the event of them doing something you consider scummy.

as for point (3), i think this post summarizes my thoughts on irrel-slot being scum:

Am I dumb for thinking that Datisi expertly defusing my scumread on him is a reason to scumread him? Probably I’m dumb for thinking that.

reading through scamper's 1291, at least the parts that relate to irrel's read on me, i feel like he's put a lot of what i was vaguely feeling into words. because what i have been feeling about irrel's read on me is that it doesn't interally *make sense*. like, he said he was kind of townreading me for not being ~extra~, but then later calls me out for not being happy. he completely misunderstands my firebringer push. and even after i call out these things, which are very easy to call out, he goes "oh no, i'm not scumreading datisi anymore... no ahah wait i am!" like how is me doing those things supposed to be scum-indicative? the only explanation i can think of is that irrel thinks i'm *completely incapable* as a town player, but i don't feel like that's a reasonable thought for anyone to have?

like, it feels like he's tryign to give off an appearance of a tunnelled townie, but... he doesn't actually have good reasons to tunnell me.

i have also called out irrel's weird placing around my slot in 558, 1094, 1115.

this is what i mean is the difference between irrel-slot and ausuka finding me scummy. i felt good faith from ausuka. i did not feel *any* good faith from irrel.

[Nero Cain]

on what subject?

I am/was scum reading you and you have been pushing back

[Thestatusquo]

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

You don't play like this as town. You do not frequently show no interest in the elimination day one. Every experience I have with you does not match that description of your play and you're acting like its some obvious thing I should know because of a team game I was not even a part of ignoring the two examples of contrary play in order to do so and then claiming that the change happened like recently so how is it even relevant?

[Ausuka]

I mean no one has engaged with my push on Datisi apart from Datisi and scamper who grossly mischaracterised it to discredit me. Maybe I should self vote as well

I guess I'll go back and read about the Gamma stuff but I was townleaning him, I scumread him last game for not taking strong stances and he was town and I don't think she's ever pinged me this game

[Something_Smart]

No one is interacting with what I'm saying or taking me seriously so if the way I have to get my reads actually considered is to be elimmed then thats what I'll do.

I doubt anyone is going to consider your reads very heavily if you get elimmed, especially if you go out doing this.

The exception maybe is if you start yelling "AFTER I DIE KILL X". But if you want to do that, at least try to push through X today and force a 1v1.

[Datisi]

shea, i'm down to discuss the gamma read w you if you want. but i really need something more interesting than "gamma isn't playing the game" because that meta point isn't that convincing to me.

[Thestatusquo]

Well Datisi we seem to be at an impasse then because I can't speak to my predecessors reads or progressions except to say that town players frequently have bad reads and progressions.

[Datisi]

Well Datisi we seem to be at an impasse then because I can't speak to my predecessors reads or progressions except to say that town players frequently have bad reads and progressions.

i don't care about you answering for irrel. i care about you explaining how the posts i quoted make you (or don't make you) change your read on me, and why.

[Thestatusquo]

shea, i'm down to discuss the gamma read w you if you want. but i really need something more interesting than "gamma isn't playing the game" because that meta point isn't that convincing to me.

I don't think thats really what my claim on gamma was, it was that she seemed completely disinterested in who the flip day one was and to some extent feels that same way today.

Thats why I asked her when she came by those reads because it seemed to me that if the answer was yesterday we would have seen any effort at all at pursuing them but that effort is completely absent.

In the course of this conversation gamma said that I should know better than to read them for this reason, and pointed to a game we didnt even play together as an example (an example that I don't think matches either) to which I counter with two games where gamma WAS town and DID care about the elimination and discussion their reads.

[Thestatusquo]

Well Datisi we seem to be at an impasse then because I can't speak to my predecessors reads or progressions except to say that town players frequently have bad reads and progressions.

i don't care about you answering for irrel. i care about you explaining how the posts i quoted make you (or don't make you) change your read on me, and why.

I dont think I have a good read on you. I missed that you were mostly agreeing with scampers case, but I find it hard to put a lot of credence in the case on irrelephant because it seems to rely on one, their state of mind, which I cant speak to, and two, them having some amount of bad faith towards interacting with you which I know they didnt have because I can see the color of my role PM.

[Thestatusquo]

No one is interacting with what I'm saying or taking me seriously so if the way I have to get my reads actually considered is to be elimmed then thats what I'll do.

I doubt anyone is going to consider your reads very heavily if you get elimmed, especially if you go out doing this.

The exception maybe is if you start yelling "AFTER I DIE KILL X". But if you want to do that, at least try to push through X today and force a 1v1.

Tomorrow look at Gamma with any degree of seriousness.

I also am low key worried about ydrasse, something_smart, guiltylion, dannflor

Don't feel like getting into a 1v1 because I don't feel strongly enough about any read to do that.

[Gamma Emerald]

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

You don't play like this as town. You do not frequently show no interest in the elimination day one. Every experience I have with you does not match that description of your play and you're acting like its some obvious thing I should know because of a team game I was not even a part of ignoring the two examples of contrary play in order to do so and then claiming that the change happened like recently so how is it even relevant?

I literally sold my vote to the highest bidder in TM2021 D1
TM2018 was back when I had tons of effort to play with, and Among Us the mech aspect drew me into things
Like, you're trying to claim I'm scum for not playing like a game from 4 years ago when I feel like I have had meta shifts happen multiple times over
And like, you said meta is trash earlier, and have been derisive of meta pretty evenly this game, so what the fuck is it about your case that makes it exist above that decree?
VOTE: TSQ / Shea
I feel like there's too much out of place in how you're treating me here. I wanted to rustle marci's feathers a bit more but that'll have to wait.

[Thestatusquo]

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

You don't play like this as town. You do not frequently show no interest in the elimination day one. Every experience I have with you does not match that description of your play and you're acting like its some obvious thing I should know because of a team game I was not even a part of ignoring the two examples of contrary play in order to do so and then claiming that the change happened like recently so how is it even relevant?

I literally sold my vote to the highest bidder in TM2021 D1
TM2018 was back when I had tons of effort to play with, and Among Us the mech aspect drew me into things
Like, you're trying to claim I'm scum for not playing like a game from 4 years ago when I feel like I have had meta shifts happen multiple times over
And like, you said meta is trash earlier, and have been derisive of meta pretty evenly this game, so what the fuck is it about your case that makes it exist above that decree?
VOTE: TSQ / Shea
I feel like there's too much out of place in how you're treating me here. I wanted to rustle marci's feathers a bit more but that'll have to wait.

this is a giant misrepresentation of my point. My claim isn't that you are scum because you arent playing like games from 4 years ago, my claim is that you're scum because you don't care who is eliminated. The meta point is simply because you told me that this is normal for you and I sincerely do not believe that it is.

[Thestatusquo]

Like holy hell my case on you is not meta. My meta is simply a refutation of your meta. My case on you is that you're not doing anything to impact the eliminations of this game.

[fireisredsir]

i dont have time to type reads really right now, but !! maybe after work but dont be hopeful!!
i was xonfused why u werent choosed for nk though bestie!! werent u hella townread!!

Ok I am slightly weirded out by both hem and Marci pushing the hem nk point because I did not pick up on this, like, at all and I understand hem might have a weird perspective about himself but idk why Marci would repeat it??

also thought this was weird

[Ydrasse]

that hem and marci thing makes me think marci w

[obscure]

I also am more worried about deasvail the more he continues to just exist on the periphery.

YES

are they still here? This was my scumread yesterday I felt good about.

Dan and Deas I could both see as scum.