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[Ydrasse]

obscure has a superpower to start posting like the moment they become a topic of interest

much to think about

[Something_Smart]

obscure has a superpower to start posting like the moment they become a topic of interest

wait, that's a superpower? I have that too, I guess I am good at something

(in all seriousness, this is a pretty natural inclination imo. for one, in such a fast-paced game, it's a lot easier to find concrete things to engage with!)

[scamper]

i have ultimately tried being patient and letting other people have their way because i dont like shouting over other people but if someone is going to come in with blatant bad faith attacks i'm not gunna tolerate it

[Ydrasse]

i do it too lol

but it just stuck out to me i guess given the like uhhhhh
idk
profile of a new forum player i guess
lurking and then boom here i am

[Ydrasse]

scamper yell at everyone until they cower in submission

[humaneatingmonkey]

blatant bad faith attacks

[humaneatingmonkey]

scamper is fuming

[Something_Smart]

i do it too lol

but it just stuck out to me i guess given the like uhhhhh
idk
profile of a new forum player i guess
lurking and then boom here i am

I think the dynamic I described makes perfect sense with posts like 3651. Struggling to engage, at least people pushing you is something easy to latch onto and talk about.

[Something_Smart]

scamper is fuming

pls don't do this

[obscure]

first thought reading S_S ISO is they are highly relatable...

people think that dropping into the game at this point is easy.

who is shea?

[humaneatingmonkey]

isnt this good for you s_s

that im distracting votes away from your wagon?

[obscure]

obscure has a superpower to start posting like the moment they become a topic of interest

much to think about

it feels like people don't try to engage with me when i talk about other things, but idk maybe it's a me thing >>

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNVOTE:

[GuiltyLion]

Certainly in some cases, I could demonstrate commitment by remaining flexible, no? I think I'm fine with starting on obscure, but if something else came up that looked more promising, I would think that I could show a desire to eliminate scum more by switching than by stubbornly staying.

Sorry yeah, when I said "commitment" I didn't mean commitment in the sense of like - pick one wagon and then you have to stay there - but rather commitment in terms of like, making a vote to show that you're willing to put some real stake towards where your reads are. of course it's always good to be flexible.

We still have almost a week, by solidifying wagons on objectively LHF slots we do a lot to stifle pushes against players who might otherwise be harder to catch.

I think this is maybe a crux of us having different approaches to mafia (and I'm not sure it's really alignment indicative here) - I don't buy that solidifying wagons stifles anything, I think it creates more useful information because it forces all the players in the game to respond and react to those wagons. I don't think harder to catch players become easier to catch when you have a bunch of people not voting or vanity voting.

with respect to obscure specifically, I don't think it'd be all that detrimental if we miselimmed him here, every wagon can't be correct. to me, the info of knowing who is SRing (or at least not TRing) obscure enough to vote him, vs who is TRing him (or SRing elsewhere) enough to push a counter proposal, is more useful than players withholding voting in order to try to avoid an errant vote.

[Something_Smart]

isnt this good for you s_s

that im distracting votes away from your wagon?

If you two are both town then it doesn't benefit town for you to get in a shitfight, and if neither of you become major wagons then you'll probably just both go back to the wagon you wanted anyway when deadline gets near.

[GuiltyLion]

so i reiterate again: if anyone has actual good reason to townread hem beyond him posting a lot, speak up, otherwise i want u to vote hem

I will reread HEM and get back to you on this, I have him shelved as an early townread but I do not like his recent spat with you and I agree he's felt fairly detached today

[Something_Smart]

with respect to obscure specifically, I don't think it'd be all that detrimental if we miselimmed him here, every wagon can't be correct. to me, the info of knowing who is SRing (or at least not TRing) obscure enough to vote him, vs who is TRing him (or SRing elsewhere) enough to push a counter proposal, is more useful than players withholding voting in order to try to avoid an errant vote.

I guess. But if scum don't feel any pressure because e.g. the only viable wagons are town-S_S and town-obscure, then they can position around us knowing that, and they can manipulate that perception pretty well. Whereas, if we keep more options open, then they are more likely to show their true feelings to secure a mislim or avoid pressure.

I suppose what I'm talking myself into, which is probably also the best way I personally can show commitment, is to try to find and run up a non-major wagon. But as a new replacement, I'm also not the best judge of what might be a good choice, but I guess I should just pick one. I'll look into that.

[obscure]

i don't know if it's just a personal thing, but i'm not having a huge issue with S_S. a lot of things i see in their ISO feel relatable on a sub-to-sub basis (IE, expecting to receive a mafia role PM and being glad to not get one) in addition to just trying to grip around for a place to enter into the game. it's possible that more experienced players don't have this feeling to the extent i do, but i don't feel very good voting them for now.

i'm going to look at dan now and see if their suspicion on me seems natural and i jumped at it too fast or not.

[humaneatingmonkey]

isnt this good for you s_s

that im distracting votes away from your wagon?

If you two are both town then it doesn't benefit town for you to get in a shitfight, and if neither of you become major wagons then you'll probably just both go back to the wagon you wanted anyway when deadline gets near.

were you townreading me

[GuiltyLion]

I suppose what I'm talking myself into, which is probably also the best way I personally can show commitment, is to try to find and run up a non-major wagon. But as a new replacement, I'm also not the best judge of what might be a good choice, but I guess I should just pick one. I'll look into that.

yeah I should clarify I'm not saying you (or anyone)

has

to participate in exclusively the major wagons, but in that case you should be making a case for a different wagon, that way I know "S_S doesn't like the major wagons and thinks [X] other player is scummier than the current players of interest", which is useful info, especially later once we have more flips

if you've been busy and still aren't caught up enough yet to know where to go, I can buy that, as long as it feels like you're working your way there

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

fwiw all my problems with the slot come from firebringer and zero come from s_s

might be because i have no clue how to read s_s

[Nero Cain]

how many problems do you have?

[fireisredsir]

i'm annoyed reading back that i made that post about hem asking if anyone had any actual good reason to townread him and the only response i got was from shea defending him and everyone else blew it off


and people were acting like i was crazy for saying the threadstate sucks and people aren't really communicating


so i reiterate again: if anyone has actual good reason to townread hem beyond him posting a lot, speak up, otherwise i want u to vote hem

i mean i responded in 3103 and i also had 2850 talking about it

but maybe those weren't good enough reasons to be worth responding to idk

don't really love what he's doing rn fwiw but im not really convinced by the reasons for why he's scum

[obscure]

also i just realized there's a drop down i can use to select a name to ISO someone and i don't have to click the ISO button on their posts (which involves finding a post for some people, which isn't always easy)

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