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Post Post #4825 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:37 am

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yah I would also prefer a marci vig instead of a gamma vig, I feel this game wasn't really unlike my impression of gamma's towngame

Smart is also a fine vig shot and feels a little survivalist in how he immediately encourages a Gamma shot
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Post Post #4826 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:38 am

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probably obvious but i also prefer marci over gamma!
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Post Post #4827 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:39 am

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I could go in for a fire wagon instead of an obscure wagon too I think.
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Post Post #4828 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:39 am

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fine with a marci shot

my favourite would probably be a shea shot, and i also definitely would not complain about an s_s shot, but i don't care enough to strongman that
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Post Post #4829 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:41 am

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In post 4816, Dannflor wrote:pedit: and i sorta have a theory that marci's trajectory on gamma was an attempt to pocket her
why would she decide that the best person to start pocketing is the one she tunneled all of the previous day?
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Post Post #4830 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:42 am

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In post 4828, Datisi wrote:fine with a marci shot

my favourite would probably be a shea shot, and i also definitely would not complain about an s_s shot, but i don't care enough to strongman that
how can I help you see me as town
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Post Post #4831 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:43 am

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I also got vague pockety vibes towards me from marci.
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Post Post #4832 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:44 am

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In post 4823, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4819, Nero Cain wrote:I actually rather vote out the empty gamma slot and have obscure vigged like HEM agreed to.
Why would you prefer to vig that slot we can't interact with?
obscure can talk? If you meant my suggestion that we run up an empty Gamma slot then my thinking here is, someone is going to replace into Gamma right? Why shoot that? Whats the difference between running up Gamma and having that slot get vigged. Getting ran up people at least have to take stances and I still think his HEM vote was pretty scummy given that he was trying to hurry up the HEM lim after he got wagoned.
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Post Post #4833 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 4830, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4828, Datisi wrote:fine with a marci shot

my favourite would probably be a shea shot, and i also definitely would not complain about an s_s shot, but i don't care enough to strongman that
how can I help you see me as town
i don't know, sorry

irrel's actions towards me are bad and his associates w baltar are bad and a lot of your arguments w people felt bad and i'm sorry if you're town but i am not there yet
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Post Post #4834 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 4829, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4816, Dannflor wrote:pedit: and i sorta have a theory that marci's trajectory on gamma was an attempt to pocket her
why would she decide that the best person to start pocketing is the one she tunneled all of the previous day?
I don't think she started with Gamma. I just think the way she interacts with people is more geared towards getting people to like her than to solve people's alignments? Like her conversation with me, it felt like she wanted me to feel like "oh marci is reaching out to me she must be town," and not because she specifically wanted something from me

Maybe Gamma wasn't someone she intentionally tried to pocket
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Post Post #4835 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:46 am

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In post 4825, GuiltyLion wrote:Smart is also a fine vig shot and 4813 feels a little survivalist in how he immediately encourages a Gamma shot
Hmm, it didn't occur to me that I was doing that.

I'm not sure Gamma is actually a good shot, because marci might just have an inno there.
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Post Post #4836 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:46 am

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In post 4833, Datisi wrote:
In post 4830, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4828, Datisi wrote:fine with a marci shot

my favourite would probably be a shea shot, and i also definitely would not complain about an s_s shot, but i don't care enough to strongman that
how can I help you see me as town
i don't know, sorry

irrel's actions towards me are bad and his associates w baltar are bad and a lot of your arguments w people felt bad and i'm sorry if you're town but i am not there yet
shrug, ok.
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Post Post #4837 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:47 am

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In post 4835, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4825, GuiltyLion wrote:Smart is also a fine vig shot and 4813 feels a little survivalist in how he immediately encourages a Gamma shot
Hmm, it didn't occur to me that I was doing that.

I'm not sure Gamma is actually a good shot, because marci might just have an inno there.
why the fuck would you say that?
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Post Post #4838 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:48 am

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super unpopular opinion: marci's attack on Gamma was a light bus and that's why he felt "betrayed"
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Post Post #4839 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 4833, Datisi wrote:his associates w baltar are bad
I have almost certainly forgotten parts of D2 where different people talked about this but I still kinda think Relly's associatives with Baltar aren't that bad. they're not clearing, but I think on the whole it seems more likely Relly didn't know VPB was scum given the breezy half baked townread morphing into an unceremonious "could go either way" vote, just felt like he wasn't trying to enact an agenda or a planned trajectory
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Post Post #4840 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:49 am

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In post 4837, Thestatusquo wrote:why the fuck would you say that?
Because I don't think it's extremely likely, and I'd love for scum to waste their power killing/roleblocking her.
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Post Post #4841 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:51 am

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so you were lying about her not being a good shot then? Like the statement "I believe marci is a bad shot because of x" and "I don't think x is very likely" can't both be true.
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Post Post #4842 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:54 am

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I mean shooting someone who has, say, a 25% chance of being a confirmed inno, when there are other viable options, seems like a poor play.
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Post Post #4843 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:55 am

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25% is INCREDIBLY LIKELY relatively speaking.
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Post Post #4844 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:56 am

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did you object to the marci vig?
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Post Post #4845 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:56 am

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It kind of feels like you didn't think about this speculation at all and then tried to come up with a justification for it here on the fly.

Whether or not that's AI I have no clue.
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Post Post #4846 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:57 am

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Well it would be scum indicative, because I would never do that as town and not admit it. 25% was about the number I had in mind when I posted .
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Post Post #4847 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:59 am

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huh actually gong back I could see how one might see marci's D1-D2 gamma progression as an inno

but I completely didn't clock it at the time

and it makes me wonder if it's fair to think marci/gamma is T-T and scum!Smart was more prone to picking up on that because he's looking for results/crumbs in townie's reads
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Post Post #4848 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:59 am

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why would you protest a gamma shot more than a marci shot then
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Post Post #4849 (ISO) » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:59 am

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Do you think that a player having a 25% chance of being an investigative role is not a HUGE number in the context of a random townie? I'm so confused by that statement.
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