Datisi's Café [game over!]
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Last edited by Datisi on Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:48 am, edited 3 times in total.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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What relationship? There's a sweet spot for player enjoyment that usually sits around 25% of the game being scum. Too high and it feels like town has no control, too low and it can feel hard to find scum. I don't see why that wouldn't be linear.In post 296, PenguinPower wrote:the relationship does not scale linearly...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Vivax heMafia Scumhe
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In this case just 4 scum is possible with the extra mechanic in place
I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to. The slipping mind is most attuned to the slipping action in this case, the hypocrisy being their undoing.
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The extra mechanic is not pro-scum. It limits the usability of town PR's, but in a way that's entirely in town's control.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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no, but i thought it was interesting you were calling out ircher for assuming a ratio without explanation when you were doing the sameIn post 299, Ausuka wrote:do you think me saying 16:5 is normal is alignment indicative? lol<(") | (")>-
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i mean - i don't think that's a true statement, but this isn't MD so moving on.In post 301, Something_Smart wrote:
What relationship? There's a sweet spot for player enjoyment that usually sits around 25% of the game being scum. Too high and it feels like town has no control, too low and it can feel hard to find scum. I don't see why that wouldn't be linear.In post 296, PenguinPower wrote:the relationship does not scale linearly...<(") | (")>-
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I, for one, love that Datisi posts a regular accounting of everyone's productivity usage.In post 303, Something_Smart wrote:The extra mechanic is not pro-scum. It limits the usability of town PR's, but in a way that's entirely in town's control.<(") | (")>-
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This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?In post 302, Vivax wrote:I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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um, I was discussing the faction ratio because it was the topic in the game thread, and stated i thought 16:5 was likely. Ircher used 17:4 without explaining why in a calculation without talking about it. This is not the same situation.In post 304, PenguinPower wrote:
no, but i thought it was interesting you were calling out ircher for assuming a ratio without explanation when you were doing the sameIn post 299, Ausuka wrote:do you think me saying 16:5 is normal is alignment indicative? lol
i agree with S_S the mechanic isn't really pro scum at all.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean, if we wanted to do that, we could. We probably will at some point. But even if we don't, all the actions that matter are taken by town.In post 306, PenguinPower wrote:I, for one, love that Datisi posts a regular accounting of everyone's productivity usage.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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What if yume used 5 scum out of ignorance? There's really no way to tell.In post 308, Something_Smart wrote:
This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?In post 302, Vivax wrote:I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.
Best to yolo into it and then shine a light on the other side when we know more, one could argue.
I can put Ircher at L-1 here I think, do we make this a fast day? I don't really see Ircher giving a damn-
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Sure - look at the last three completed games that were around this size.In post 310, Ausuka wrote:and i'm not dumbtelling thanks. do i really have to sift my ass through completed large games to prove that games of this size will generally have 5 scum i swear to god
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So it's in town's control how negative utility the extra mechanic isIn post 303, Something_Smart wrote:The extra mechanic is not pro-scum. It limits the usability of town PR's, but in a way that's entirely in town's control.
That doesn't mean it's not negative utility
Also, since when has giving random townies control ever been a good idea-
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by individual town not the collective townIn post 311, Something_Smart wrote:
I mean, if we wanted to do that, we could. We probably will at some point. But even if we don't, all the actions that matter are taken by town.In post 306, PenguinPower wrote:I, for one, love that Datisi posts a regular accounting of everyone's productivity usage.<(") | (")>-
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I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helpsNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.
What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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I also think 4 scum is possible - I think Ircher using it in a calculation without even talking about it is possibly a sign of TMI, which wouldn't be the case if we had 5 scum. People seem to be thinking I'm either scum or stupid for saying I initially thought there would be 5 scum and I am trying to explain that I believe it to be standard.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 317, Ausuka wrote:viewtopic.php?p=13278073
I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helpsmostly because of this. lol.
oh and here's a 20p game with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89500
and a 19pdatisigame with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120
and a 21p game with 4 (+ 3rd party): viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500<(") | (")>-
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Good postingIn post 308, Something_Smart wrote:
This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?In post 302, Vivax wrote:I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Their profile has their last log in time.In post 319, furtiveglance wrote:I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Yeah he's starting to look like a Moroccan hashish plantationIn post 318, Titus wrote:I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.
What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.
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