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here's my gamma->skit/obscure thoughts
Spoiler: early gamma reads
gamma opens with a scumread on skitter but doesn't vote it or explain it, despite other people calling skitter town early game IIRC
we could also consider a rule of three here since HEM/scamper both very likely town
Spoiler: weird gamma/obscure interaction
This interaction is awkward both ways. obscure SRs Gamma for bad reads but again in that slightly LAMISTy way of "I TR the other two playersand I'm town, so Gamma is scummy"
and Gamma replies back calling it OMGUS but still isn't voting or pushing the slot at all, it's actually her first interaction with obscure
Spoiler: Gamma's Next Move
And then immediately votes Frog instead? The "traction" comment was odd as well because this was the VC at the time:
for due diligence I'll need to check what the context/thread vibe was in terms of people's reads but it's hard for me to buy that there was really any traction on Frog at all at this point.In post 1771, T3 wrote:
Gamma Emerald (4): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Frogsterking, Nero Cain
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Dannflor (2): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion
Irrelephant11 (2): Datisi, Aristeia
Firebringer (1): VP Baltar
VP Baltar (1): Ausuka
obscure (1): Firebringer
ConManMick (1): scamper
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (3): marcistar, xofelf, Ydrasse
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-09 23:15:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Spoiler: Anther bad obscure/gamma interaction
This just feels like a really lifeless reply - like if Gamma thinks obscure is a viable miiselim, and obscure is town on the right track, why go with a blunt dismissal instead of trying harder to discredit obscure or make him look bad?
Spoiler: D2 gamma reads
Still sticking with the obscure scumread surrounded by likely two townslots, still not really pushing or voting obscure
and then TSQ calls Gamma out for not pushing either of HEM/obscure at all really, and Gamma's response is to SR and vote TSQ
so despite claiming to scumread skit/obscure slot for the entirety of two days, Gamma at no point cases it, votes it, or does anything to move it along, instead choosing to park a vote on TSQ
In post 3848, T3 wrote:
Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2): Gamma Emerald, Datisi
DeasVail (1): obscure
marcistar (1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1): Nero Cain
Not voting (3): Something_Smart, marcistar, Enchant
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00)
Mod notes: this was right near my school
In post 3902, T3 wrote:
Something_Smart (5): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2): Gamma Emerald, Datisi
DeasVail (1): obscure
marcistar (1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1): Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): Enchant
humaneatingmonkey (1): scamper
Not voting (2): Something_Smart, marcistar
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00)
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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that said, I'm also still fine with a S_S wagon and flip instead lul"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I don't think so, I thought that comment was weird the first time I read it.In post 5627, GuiltyLion wrote:for due diligence I'll need to check what the context/thread vibe was in terms of people's reads but it's hard for me to buy that there was really any traction on Frog at all at this point.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I greatly dislike that neither S_S or obscure were on Gamma/Tweet yesterday and I don't think it takes a genius to realize Tweet was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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And if not, jumped on at the end like me/Dann/scamper.In post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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You can add TSQ to this list for obvious reasons.In post 5634, Frogsterking wrote:
And if not, jumped on at the end like me/Dann/scamper.In post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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that assumes that scum were around to throw gammaslot under the bus, its entirely circumstantialIn post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:I greatly dislike that neither S_S or obscure were on Gamma/Tweet yesterday and I don't think it takes a genius to realize Tweet was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.-
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What do you mean?In post 5637, scamper wrote:
that assumes that scum were around to throw gammaslot under the bus, its entirely circumstantialIn post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:I greatly dislike that neither S_S or obscure were on Gamma/Tweet yesterday and I don't think it takes a genius to realize Tweet was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 5344, Something_Smart wrote:I love it when people arbitrarily decide what wagons are acceptable.In post 5414, Something_Smart wrote:GL did you just say I was scum for not leveraging my vote?
these are all the posts from s_s after tweet replaced inIn post 5458, Something_Smart wrote:
Which is a problem why?In post 5447, Nero Cain wrote:part of me just thinks is scum. If we let her live and she's scum she'll just claim roleblocked.
he didnt really address the wagon in a meaningful way at all-
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ovscure had entirely flaked on the game so the argument "scum would have bussed" doesnt, like, do a whole lot for obscures slotIn post 5638, Frogsterking wrote:
What do you mean?In post 5637, scamper wrote:
that assumes that scum were around to throw gammaslot under the bus, its entirely circumstantialIn post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:I greatly dislike that neither S_S or obscure were on Gamma/Tweet yesterday and I don't think it takes a genius to realize Tweet was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.-
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The strategy is to flip scum slots in order of their activity level, or their likelihood to reveal information about their scum team. So leaving a slot like S_S alive to flip until endgame is suboptimal because once we've verified they're scum we don't learn anything. That's why I was pushing Dann D1 instead of Baltar, S_S D2 instead of Dease or w.e, because I want the more active scum slots around to create spew which can be reread at endgame. A slot which is playing on anti spew or lurking won't be creating as much spew. So by saying S_S is playing on anti spew I was saying it's a good bet to flip them now rather than later.In post 5624, fireisredsir wrote:
can you please just explain what you meant bc i don't know how else to interpret thatIn post 5623, Frogsterking wrote:
Why would it benefit us to keep a scum slot around which is playing on anti spew vs others which presumably aren't? This feels like a thinly veiled excuse to throw my name around.In post 5620, fireisredsir wrote:
isn't this saying "SS is scum but we should flip him later, not now"?In post 4218, Frogsterking wrote:I've recently started thinking differently about flips like that. I think SS doesn't give us a lot of info right now and I think that's because SS is playing on anti-spew. So with my current understanding of how the game works, SS is the correct slot to flip if we want to maximize the amount of info Town has at a more crucial point later in the game.
did i misunderstand that
i see you were voting SS at the time and continued doing so for a while so maybe i did
obviously i don't think it would benefit us but i wasn't gonna question it
believe me i would not ever throw your name around and invite interaction unless i thought it was useful to do soBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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You don't think Tweet would do more if it was their job to carry the team?In post 5640, scamper wrote:
ovscure had entirely flaked on the game so the argument "scum would have bussed" doesnt, like, do a whole lot for obscures slotIn post 5638, Frogsterking wrote:
What do you mean?In post 5637, scamper wrote:
that assumes that scum were around to throw gammaslot under the bus, its entirely circumstantialIn post 5633, Frogsterking wrote:I greatly dislike that neither S_S or obscure were on Gamma/Tweet yesterday and I don't think it takes a genius to realize Tweet was probably being bussed at the time they replaced in.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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ok thank you that makes more senseIn post 5641, Frogsterking wrote:
The strategy is to flip scum slots in order of their activity level, or their likelihood to reveal information about their scum team. So leaving a slot like S_S alive to flip until endgame is suboptimal because once we've verified they're scum we don't learn anything. That's why I was pushing Dann D1 instead of Baltar, S_S D2 instead of Dease or w.e, because I want the more active scum slots around to create spew which can be reread at endgame. A slot which is playing on anti spew or lurking won't be creating as much spew. So by saying S_S is playing on anti spew I was saying it's a good bet to flip them now rather than later.In post 5624, fireisredsir wrote:
can you please just explain what you meant bc i don't know how else to interpret thatIn post 5623, Frogsterking wrote:
Why would it benefit us to keep a scum slot around which is playing on anti spew vs others which presumably aren't? This feels like a thinly veiled excuse to throw my name around.In post 5620, fireisredsir wrote:
isn't this saying "SS is scum but we should flip him later, not now"?In post 4218, Frogsterking wrote:I've recently started thinking differently about flips like that. I think SS doesn't give us a lot of info right now and I think that's because SS is playing on anti-spew. So with my current understanding of how the game works, SS is the correct slot to flip if we want to maximize the amount of info Town has at a more crucial point later in the game.
did i misunderstand that
i see you were voting SS at the time and continued doing so for a while so maybe i did
obviously i don't think it would benefit us but i wasn't gonna question it
believe me i would not ever throw your name around and invite interaction unless i thought it was useful to do so-
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not really, noIn post 5642, Frogsterking wrote:You don't think Tweet would do more if it was their job to carry the team?
repping into a scum slot in a 200 page game wuld be demotivating for most players and tweet isnt especially motivated as scum. if her teams not doing well i culd easily see her phoning it in. i dont think trying to base reads off that sole event is likely to be too useful-
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Okay. In other games I've (correctly) suggested the scum were a pair of lurker slots and got shot down so I'll try to be more open minded.In post 5644, scamper wrote:
not really, noIn post 5642, Frogsterking wrote:You don't think Tweet would do more if it was their job to carry the team?
repping into a scum slot in a 200 page game wuld be demotivating for most players and tweet isnt especially motivated as scum. if her teams not doing well i culd easily see her phoning it in. i dont think trying to base reads off that sole event is likely to be too usefulBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm assuming you didn't care much for S_S responses to my line of questioning when you looked through his iso earlier?In post 5646, scamper wrote:im not, like, saying its *impossible* tweet got bussed by someone but i wouldnt just assume it by default
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Did anyone compare if this is worse than Town!S_S usually puts out?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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yesterday at the time I thought there may be a busser cause a) vig game and b) the wagon on MT felt like it kinda sprung up with confidence fairly quickly, but then when I reread a bit last night I realized Tweet was pretty scummy and I just hadn't really been paying attention to that thread of the game, and the only slots I'd really consider for bussing are Dann/fireisredIn post 5646, scamper wrote:im not, like, saying its *impossible* tweet got bussed by someone but i wouldnt just assume it by default
and Dann's opening today felt kinda townie
I had a TSQ/Gamma paranoia for a moment but independently TSQ feels pretty townie to me and I think there was one Gamma post I thought felt really unpartnered, let me see if I can find it again"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I think it was thisIn post 3156, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 3123, Thestatusquo wrote:
Because gamma is the biggest example to my mind and also the one I think I might get some traction on.In post 3121, Datisi wrote:shea, is there a reason why you're pushing primarily gamma for that, when i feel like multiple people this game could fit that description to a similar degree?
Who are the others in your mind?
this feel incongruous to anyone else?In post 3093, Thestatusquo wrote:In post 3087, Something_Smart wrote:
I doubt anyone is going to consider your reads very heavily if you get elimmed, especially if you go out doing this.In post 3076, Thestatusquo wrote:No one is interacting with what I'm saying or taking me seriously so if the way I have to get my reads actually considered is to be elimmed then thats what I'll do.
The exception maybe is if you start yelling "AFTER I DIE KILL X". But if you want to do that, at least try to push through X today and force a 1v1.In post 3070, Thestatusquo wrote:Tomorrow look at Gamma with any degree of seriousness.
I also am low key worried about ydrasse, something_smart, guiltylion, dannflor
Don't feel like getting into a 1v1 because I don't feel strongly enough about any read to do that.
it feels neither meant to anti-associate gamma with TSQ nor meant to pick a theatrical fight with them
instead it feels like scum discrediting town to me"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
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