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[Dannflor]

I'm not impressed and your comment/shade annoyed me

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/430372183

Read if you don't know how backlinks work

okay I went back and read this now I understand frogster

I don't think like 7 people are going to get you results in any reliable fashion like thousands would, but I understand the idea

[Dannflor]

in fact I think in this case individual reads are often better than averaging reads

consensus reads at this scale tend to be easily manipulated

with null reads more often being scum

but that's neither here nor there

[Nero Cain]

ConManMick (11): Ydrasse,

Aristeia

, Irrelephant11, Ausuka, Datisi, scamper,

Gamma Emerald

,

humaneatingmonkey

, DeasVail,

VP Baltar

,

ConManMick

Morning Tweet (9): DeasVail,

Nero Cain

, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Datisi, Ausuka, Ydrasse, scamper, Frogsterking

do we think there was only 2 scum on the conman ML?

I know that I was calling Dann scummy yesterday but there's a large part of me that feels like this is a town lead wagon. I think you could maybe argue that Frog is scum that saw his buddy going down and hopped in real fast to bus there.

DeasVail (4): marcistar, Enchant, obscure, Cat Scratch Fever
obscure (1): GuiltyLion
Something_Smart (1): Morning Tweet
Not voting (2): Something_Smart, Thestatusquo

I like the idea of there being scum in this group.

[Frogsterking]

I don't think like 7 people are going to get you results in any reliable fashion like thousands would, but I understand the idea

UNVOTE: Dannflor

VOTE: S_S

This is the kind of criticism I can live with. Also, the thing with the google algorithm I was referring to is the idea that credibility flows through websites who link to one another, and the most credible websites will be linked to both each other and the majority of other websites (ie wikipedia is linked to by many websites, amazon is linked to by many websites, etc.) So I wasn't necessarily aggregating the reads from the group as much as I was trying to prioritize players who aren't receiving Town reads from the group.

PEdit:

I'm sure there are a number of issues with my idea and the way that I implemented, I don't think that it's "weird" or scummy at all that I would attempt to implement it.

[Dannflor]

I mean I would say it's an unusual method

maybe I shouldn't have said weird

I'll agree that was reaching but I got excited because I saw a post that was using that method to justify a town read on Gamma and it gave me queasy feelings

Why did you hate that S_S post?

[Frogsterking]

I mean I would say it's an unusual method

maybe I shouldn't have said weird

I'll agree that was reaching but I got excited because I saw a post that was using that method to justify a town read on Gamma and it gave me queasy feelings

Why did you hate that S_S post?

I hate the parts that I bolded:

It seems like pretty typical Frogster shenanigans,

honestly

. Feels like it's unlikely to be agenda-motivated in that he thinks the aggregated reads will be wrong,

but it might just be scum-him

trying to come up with something distracting to do.

This is not the kind of post I like to see coming from a slot I recently defended. Yikes.

The first bold, "honestly", is self-qualifying, and makes me suspect the first sentence is there because S_S doesn't feel entitled to post in the thread. The second bold looks like a hedge on a read Town!S_S should be able to make (S_S has seen me go A-WOL as Town.) It doesn't seem logical or emotionally congruent for the second part to be there unless S_S is afraid to outright disagree with you...which would also imply S_S is afraid to post in the thread. I believe this with more certainty than my other takes, like

low/moderate

certainty this post is scum AI for S_S.

I believe with equal

low/moderate

certainty Town!SS writes 5721 like
"Feels like it's unlikely to be agenda-motivated in that he thinks the aggregated reads will be wrong." and hits send. I believe the additional parts of it that I bolded are AI.

Additionally, I believe on a

very low

certainty level that S_S may be familiar or interested in Francis Galton or Google's algorithm or w.e because I'm pretty sure (ie moderate/high certainty) that S_S is quite intellectually curious. So I'm deducing that S_S refraining from getting into that at all is survivalistic from them, even if the extent of their comment on it is to inform me my method is terrible because xyz.

[Frogsterking]

I'm pretty sure (ie moderate/high certainty) that S_S is quite intellectually curious.

On hindsight I could be wrong about this part, I recall S_S likes to write and has a developed process for doing so which heavily implies creativity, but that doesn't mean is intellectually curious because S_S

could

be high in fantasy and low in intellectual curiosity.

[DeasVail]

Looking back over end of day 2, Cat and Frog were the most vocal about exploring options other than tweet. Cat actually voted for me, which I think is much more likely from town because tweet was likely being eliminated at that stage and it’s just not a good look. Frog is reasonably likely to be town too because of the messy way in which (from an external perspective) he was very blatantly trying to make something else happen, but I am less certain on Frog-town than Cat-town because scum-Frog may have felt encouraged by town-Cat pushing for something else to happen.

I think that TSQ’s play end of D2 is scummy in a vacuum, but I’m not sure if it changes my overall read of them.

It’s also worthwhile considering the possibility that this was just a situation with low scum presence. S_S had earlier seemed to be encouraging the idea of a wagon on me without wanting to commit to it himself and while I probably think obscure is less likely scum than S_S, it is definitely possible.

[Frogsterking]

Dease, I'm confused why Cat is even being considered in 5732.

[Ausuka]

Hi I'm extremely tired

I was thinking overnight and I was kind of townleaning SS because part of the reason I scumread VPB was that the push on FB looks opportunistic

But also like scum are 25% of the game and sometimes I am going to scumread scum for bad reasons so maybe that's dumb?

I don't really know how to read s_s but like, I will try and iso him again and see if I can find anything useful

[DeasVail]

Dease, I'm confused why Cat is even being considered in 5732.

I don’t take anything for granted

[Datisi]

No way I would tell MT to put up a neon sign saying "I'm scum trying to live one more day" and then

not

try to reap any towncred from her wagon after she did so.

Well, I have to imagine that if I were on a scumteam with someone who repped into a slot being wagoned, they would probably look to me for claim advice, and I would probably provide it. Or at least I would say "lol don't claim that, it will be really obvious you are scum" and she is probably the type of person to listen.

i mean... if you now think it's that obvious that mt was scum trying to make it through one more day, why were lowkey defending her yesterday?

[Datisi]

I was actually in a weird spot because that claim sounded a priori unlikely to be real, and likely to be a fakeclaim, but there seemed to be little downside in letting her confirm. Hence 5458. I never really reached a conclusion, and indeed I was not given a chance to. Imagine how much more info we could have gotten if we'd slowrolled that wagon instead of rushing it.

ok i should've kept reading...

if we'd let her live and she survived until today and claimed roleblocked, what would you have done?

[Datisi]

okay, i am in The Present

i see our newcomer has not appeared yet, and i believe some pressure might be worthwhile to read him, so

VOTE: menalque

i am planning to do more work in this game over the course of the irl day, but i'd like to have my vote active in the meantime

[Menalque]

sup

[Menalque]

Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

[Datisi]

i was thinking of your post in the nqn2 dead thread, yes

now give reads pls

[Menalque]

reads would be hard to give when I've read approx 0 of the game

[Datisi]

you've read approx 0, yet you knew how i was reading mt? that is, as the kids may say, sus

[Menalque]

o shit

wait how do I delete a post it's been ages since I was here

[Datisi]

ok that's cute n all but can you like, do something ai pls

[Menalque]

once I have like a vague sense of what is happening, yes

[Menalque]

do u wanna give me the cliff notes rundown of gamestate?

[Ydrasse]

standing emoji

[Datisi]

do u wanna give me the cliff notes rundown of gamestate?

i can give you flip info but you can get that yourself in the op (other than the fact csf is a vig)

i have been checked out myself for a lot of d2 so not really