with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Like, can we skip this? Either you're doing the thing you did that other game ages back where you try pissing me off in order to place me, you're resigning yourself to being the elim while trying to blame everyone else, or you're just scum and you're out of directions to go in
I would very much appreciate it if you'd just cooperate
"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle
I‘m currently reviewing the plan to steal everyone‘s DNA and launch people willing to kiss my arse into space with myself before I nuke the planet. What‘s up my dudes.
In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?
I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far. Not really seeing the ausuka wagon. Not feeling mastina, even if I disagree on strategy.
In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?
Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.
In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?
Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.
Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?
No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!
Next Titus makes a series of posts, where she both adamantly makes it clear that she Scum Reads Ircher, but also is trying to discredit the TMI reason that everyone else is voting Ircher. She also starts laying the ground work to say that SS should actually be the elim, because the timing of bringing up the tmi was suspicious and Actually Just a Distraction from scum!SS.
In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?
Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.
Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?
No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!
I don't see how...but you do you. Generates wagons so not gunna fight this
mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo
Why suppose he's right?
Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments
In post 221, Titus wrote:I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.
In post 221, Titus wrote:I think at least one of Ircher/SS if not both are scum. The timing of this slip argument right as SS gets pushed for reads is a bit sus when that argument was there all along.
Are you saying I successfully caused a distraction?
I struggle to see how town SS sees Ircher as null and has zero comment about the wagons.
While that conversation is happening, now that the tmi slip has been brought up so clearly, the Ircher wagon grows to near terminal size.
Spoiler:
In post 198, furtiveglance wrote:We shouldn't fire Ydrasse, I think they're an Employee. I'll vote Ircher for now but I might unvote if they come on and explain why they thought 17/4.
My personal opinion is that Something_Smart is pretty scummy in his own right and I don't have a strong opinion on the Ircher-informed thing, but if we're partnering these two together then sure let's go
After the Ircher wagon gets to e-2, with someone saying they were willing to put him at e-1, Titus amps up the certaintly that Ircher is scum, drops the SS line of thinking, and starts pushing the idea that Ircher is frozen. The key thing to me, is that Ircher has not entered the thread a single time in the interim. The only change here is that his wagon went from a smallish wagon, and only Furtive openly discussing the slip -- to the Ircher wagon being very close to going over.
Spoiler:
In post 318, Titus wrote:I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.
What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.
In post 318, Titus wrote:I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.
Well, if it's 5 scum then Ircher's town equity goes way up.
How? He's just as frozen...
Titus... what?
How do you not see, that if he confidently was posting about there being 4 scum, and there are actually 5 scum that makes him more likely to be uninformed?
Even if he was scum purposefully saying 4 scum instead of 5 scum, do you think that he was making the conscious effort to say a wrong number, while not having any idea where he was going with that intentional choice?
I literally don't care for the setup spec. If we prove 5 scum or 4 scum, I'll reevaluate. I don't care for the slip talk. Never have. It's odd for Ircher to post like that at all, so I don't think it was 100% Ircher. I don't trust any mechanics I don't have personal knowledge of yet.
Shall I get you catnip? Or you prefer the blood of scum Ircher?
Conclusion:
The time line of Titus's stance surrounding Ircher Partnered.
Scum saw the tmi thing when I asked, and likely hoped that it would go away, but also need to position themselves in case it doesnt.
Her naked voting Ircher, to be on wagon before it blew up, while also not adding any additional attention to it feels like where scum might go.
Her then, scum reading Ircher, while also arguing against the tmi slip (and also setting up a pivot onto SS) feels like where scum would want to live in case Ircher is salvagable.
Her doubling down on the scum read when it becomes clear that he is not salvagable also feels like where scum want to live.
Her "Ircher is frozen" arguement is awkward as hell, given the context of him not being in thread at all from 8:20 PM est on the 14th to 3:30 PM est on the 15th (pretty standard time from someone to be asleep -> work). But, if she is scum wanting to double down on her doomed team mate, AFTER she has made lots of posts saying how the tmi thing is not real, she really did not have many other options.
TL;DR : Titus's positioning around Ircher shifts progressively throughout a time where Ircher is not on at all, giving the appearance that her position is not dependent on Ircher, but actually dependent on the state of Ircher's Wagon. It looks to me like a scum partner, doing some mental calculations on exactly where she needs to be, vs a genuine progression on the slot.
In post 1505, Lukewarm wrote:Her "Ircher is frozen" arguement is awkward as hell, given the context of him not being in thread at all from 8:20 PM est on the 14th to 3:30 PM est on the 15th (pretty standard time from someone to be asleep -> work). But, if she is scum wanting to double down on her doomed team mate, AFTER she has made lots of posts saying how the tmi thing is not real, she really did not have many other options.
tbf - she saw he logged into the site during that timeframe but failed to post which is why I think she said he was frozen.
In post 1505, Lukewarm wrote:Her "Ircher is frozen" arguement is awkward as hell, given the context of him not being in thread at all from 8:20 PM est on the 14th to 3:30 PM est on the 15th (pretty standard time from someone to be asleep -> work). But, if she is scum wanting to double down on her doomed team mate, AFTER she has made lots of posts saying how the tmi thing is not real, she really did not have many other options.
tbf - she saw he logged into the site during that timeframe but failed to post which is why I think she said he was frozen.
Yes. I did see her justification for the angle that she took. Does not make it less awkward imo.
Even with that being the case, she is arguing that he logged on, saw my single question about something she did not believe to be a slip, then logged off without responding. Lock Scum. The timeline of when his log on was, to when she is calling him frozen skips the entire time that he became an actually wagon, because the supposed frozen log on was before Furtive outed that post as TMI to the thread.
i thought titus' 204 was strange and awkward and her general approach to the day did feel pretty... positional? like she was more focused on controlling gamestate and stuff. and i thought that was p scummy. and even with the ircher flip, peta dying made me kinda want to sheep his read there even more
but i kinda thought her 1471 was p convincing and made her play make a lot more sense
idk maybe im dumb and too easily swayed
for titus in the past ive looked for like... solving under the hood and i felt like she had more of that on d2 so far. she also has seemed kinda unaware of the gamestate in a way that i wouldn't really expect from scum, when i saw her as scum she knew exactly what was going on and where she should push to respond to that
I believe that retroactively coming up with reasonable explanation for herself is one of the strongest parts of Titus's scum game. I think that it plays into her strenghts as a real life trial lawyer, and also plays into the idea that Town Titus's actions are often considered Moon Logic.
Pictured below: Me spotting her weird interactions with her scum partner catboi in NQN2, and then accepting the response she managed to come up with several days later.
This is a good post! It also looks to me like Nashville Dreams weren't able to maintain internal consistency and forgot who they were supposed to be sussing by confusing Monkeyman with catboi.
I'll keep reading, but based on the most recent VC and scrolling through the last few pages, it doesn't look like the wagon on them developed much further, which is kind of odd, because I feel like this is more solid that anything else that's happened so far this game.
Also:
In post 2070, Titus wrote:Interesting how I postulate that voting Catboi might be required for the game state causes us to be a counter to catboi. This definitely means I need to reset my catboi read when I catch up.
In post 2071, Titus wrote:The only difference I see is who is doing the voting. If it was people familiar with me, I would lean towards scum saving catboi. Yet Butter and Wallflower are not familiar with me.
Would like for Nashville Dreams to acknowledge posts 1705, 2109, 2113/2116 at some point
@ND
I already have.
Motive can tell alignment. The sheer number of times catboi has been counterwagoned suggests he's scum. My play read on him is town. The last I checked our hydra notes, she had catboi scum. Her opinion (at least at the time) plus the votes means I need to reset and check if the votes warrant the belief that scum were shopping for any not catboi wagon.
Even if my gut instinct is right, repeated counterwagons to town in multiball suggest catboi is defending one if not both teams hard.
That's why I need to know about the alleged missing bnuuy wagon.
While VCA isn't proper yet, we can still get theories as to what happens.
Ngl, this is a better answer then I was expecting. Especially the bolded. I feel like that could be the missing context to make those series of posts make any kind of sense.c
I still don't like that it took so long and so many attempts to get a solid answer down. But... I guess I can see why the wagon dissipated
The interaction made her my strongest scum read day 1 (and one of the major Day 1 Wagons) that game, then her explanation managed to shake it off, then she proceeded to make it to Day 8 as scum.
Okay I'm putting the tunnel hat aside for a moment and zeroing my current reads before doing a full reread.
But I really believe Ydrasse is being written off as town way too quickly here after going over a few VCs while trying to judge if this Roden wagon has any merit.
Anyway, off I go.
with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).
This series doesn't read dishonest by Roden, and the VC didn't suggest he had pressure to claim. Caveat being that he was pre-empting a tracker on himself while killing Peta, I could see it. Sentence makes me think of caveat emptor, funny how English works.
Spoiler:
In post 1036, Roden wrote:Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.
In post 1036, Roden wrote:Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.
Pray continue....
I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.
In post 1036, Roden wrote:Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.
Pray continue....
I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.
So for starters, we know there's 4 scum based off what Ircher slipped on page 1. But while there was a random flashwagon on Ausuka going on, why is this the reason mastina voted Ircher
In post 17, mastina wrote:Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:
I am setting my productivity to 0% today.
You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.
But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.
But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.
I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.
Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?
Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.
damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRs