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[Thestatusquo]

my tinfoil theory is that menalque is a busy man but also playing a lot less lately and like maybe it's a wolf slot and he's like "okay i can do this" and then he remembers how soulsucking it is to be a wolf lol and then vanishes

being a wolf is way less soul sucking than being town.

[Something_Smart]

Would be funny if mena was team scum and SS was a traitor and SS is trying to goad me into voting him instead of mena

If I were a traitor and Mena were main faction I would absolutely be bussing him

[Something_Smart]

although on the other hand I'm not sure if it would really be a pro-scum move if Mena is wolf? and like at some point wouldn't town!S_S see his flip as at least useful for the gamestate, or does he think being eliminated won't give people more info to find the actual mafia

was any of this something you want me to answer/clarify?

[Nero Cain]

I find that unlikely

[GuiltyLion]

if you have thoughts on it I'd definitely like to hear them

It's kinda still not clear to me if you actually think Nero is scum or if your vote was a protest vote on town you feel is playing badly. and if Nero and Mena are town in your mind, do you think scum are more likely to be splitting wagons or pushing for one particular wagon over the other?

forgive me if you've directly touched on this already and I've missed or forgotten it, you can quote old posts if you have them, I've only skimmed the most recent pages and I'm still absorbing caffeine for the day

[Something_Smart]

I find that unlikely

I am quite good at leaving confusing interactions after I flip as scum. If I were a traitor, I wouldn't have to worry about my buddies' interactions toward me, and in this spot I would never be looking to endgame, so I would definitely be trying to die and set my partners up in as good a spot as possible. And I'm so uncharismatic that I could appear to put a lot of effort into a Mena push and it wouldn't actually move the needle for anyone.

[Datisi]

I think Mena being absent is a pretty sizable red flag.

why?

[Something_Smart]

It's kinda still not clear to me if you actually think Nero is scum or if your vote was a protest vote on town you feel is playing badly. and if Nero and Mena are town in your mind, do you think scum are more likely to be splitting wagons or pushing for one particular wagon over the other?

I think Nero's recent play is +scum, people seem to townread him though so I'm not actually sure where he falls on an absolute scale.

I don't think Mena is necessarily town; in fact, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure scum-Nero so vehemently pushes to kill me when the alternative is his partner who's being a limp noodle, as that looks pretty bad for him after Mena flips. But, I am more worried about having good reads if Mena is town, because if he's scum then town will continue to have some direction if I get mislimmed (whereas, back-to-back S_S/Mena mislims seems like it would put town in a pretty nasty spot, momentum-wise).

If we're both town, wagon splitting seems likely, but probably scum are more likely to fall in those discouraging looking outside of us, rather than having a specific distribution between the two wagons. I'm sure GL is right that other people were looking to take us out back-to-back, though I can't remember off the top of my head who they are.

[Something_Smart]

why?

Antispew/efforting as scum has more of a downside than efforting as town if he thinks his slot is a lost cause. Probably also more likely to see it as a lost cause as scum.

[Datisi]

Would be funny if mena was team scum and SS was a traitor and SS is trying to goad me into voting him instead of mena

If I were a traitor and Mena were main faction I would absolutely be bussing him

traitor!s_s + scum!nero

game solved

i am very smart

[Something_Smart]

at some point wouldn't town!S_S see his flip as at least useful for the gamestate, or does he think being eliminated won't give people more info to find the actual mafia

if "his flip" refers to my flip, then yeah, I don't expect my flip to provide much information. It rarely does. If Mena's town, I also don't think his flip would really provide much.

[Ausuka]

I agree mena needs to , like, read and post things asap, that slot has been doing very little all game

SS I'm confused, when you say Nero is good at creating distancing, how does that apply to the really anti-associative argument between Gamma and Nero where Gamma got pissed and replaced out that Dats was talking about?

[Datisi]

why?

Antispew/efforting as scum has more of a downside than efforting as town if he thinks his slot is a lost cause. Probably also more likely to see it as a lost cause as scum.

so, do you think that him being absent here is scum!indicative for him? especially when compared to his play in invictus?

[Something_Smart]

SS I'm confused, when you say Nero is good at creating distancing, how does that apply to the really anti-associative argument between Gamma and Nero where Gamma got pissed and replaced out that Dats was talking about?

Not sure if it does. I will go back and reread that. I do know Gamma can get OOG pissed and could plausibly replace out due to a partner distancing in an unpleasant way.

[GuiltyLion]

hmmm sometimes I feel we just think about this game so differently S_S haha

knowing for a mod-confirmed fact both you and Mena's alignments would help everyone revisit the game and get closer to a correct solve if need be imo. even just knowing Mena is

for sure

a wolf would be a lot of new info

[Ausuka]

fwiw I don't think wanting to chain SS and mena is like that scummy given we're in a good position and both slots are consensus wolfy

I wanted to like just give mena a chance to do whatever and post things at daystart and given my memory of him I am surprised that he isn't

I am interested in mena's view of the game even if we do flip him today

If it really is just that the wolves are fucked and he has 0 motivation then yay we win I guess

[Ausuka]

fwiw I don't think wanting to chain SS and mena is like that scummy given we're in a good position and both slots are consensus wolfy

in particular, maybe I don't understand SS that well but, I feel like this sort of detached spit-fire-at-the-whole-poe is part of his playstyle where he doesn't really have strong scumreads and surprised he buys into the idea of chaining eliminations?

I also feel like nero is just sort of really blatantly town here lole

[Something_Smart]

so, do you think that him being absent here is scum!indicative for him? especially when compared to his play in invictus?

it's possibly scum-indicative. iirc he was pretty busy during invictus (and later on we were conftown and unmotivated), and he hasn't said anything about being busy here.

[Nero Cain]

I don't feel like I did anything untoward to gamma

[Something_Smart]

hmmm sometimes I feel we just think about this game so differently S_S haha

knowing for a mod-confirmed fact both you and Mena's alignments would help everyone revisit the game and get closer to a correct solve if need be imo. even just knowing Mena is

for sure

a wolf would be a lot of new info

I mean, I guess it would help people be less stuck on LHF. But I feel like it's not

that

hard to recognize that you're stuck on LHF, people are just usually loath to do it. I agree that a Mena scumflip would be helpful. I do think that, even if I were scum, my flip actually wouldn't be that helpful, because my team would have no doubt been planning out how to position around my wagon for a while (and like I said, I'm very good at not leaving reliable clues in my ISO).

[Something_Smart]

fwiw I don't think wanting to chain SS and mena is like that scummy given we're in a good position and both slots are consensus wolfy

well it's scummier fmpov because I know I'm town

[Nero Cain]

Is it common for you to not have any scum reads? Seems kinda antispew, no?

[Something_Smart]

It's pretty common. I may actually be more likely to have scumreads for WIFOM purposes as scum.

[Thestatusquo]

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Something_Smart]

hmm.

I went back and looked at the Gamma replace. It feels kinda angleshooty to talk too much about it. If Gamma really replaced out because Nero scumread him, that's... not very good form. I hope there was more than just that, at least? But if that really was the entire reason, then yeah I guess it would make Nero town.