In post 2, RH wrote:Automaton - You own an automaton, which you may use at any time during a Session to help you wrangle masks off. Unfortunately for you, the automaton doesn't have a return function so you may only use it once. Furthermore, you must tell it the true identities of both masqueraders in the pair that you want to target in order to successfully wrangle off their masks.
this can happen at any time so we might as well get it over with
if purple is town then the identity can be guessed
, and yellow is an intruder; therefore I am deducing that the intruders are green and yellow. Olive was my red herring and teal was red's red herring.
Offer hand: Red
Offer hand: Olive
Offer hand: Blue
Offer hand: Teal
Offer hand: Magenta
Purple's first offer happens to be every player left alive in the game. That would be an odd coinicidence.
Their acceptance might be coordinated. Based on their own admissions
1) Purple did an about face on Olive.
2) Olive originally wanted to pair with red supposedly but changed his mind.
3) Purple wanted hard to identify people to pair with easy to identify people but currently rests on meta knowledge for Olive town.
4) Olive asks Purple to retract invites and Olive accepts 4 minutes later. The rationale is the thought process looked invitee.
5) The awkward you were right I was town.
VOTE: Purple/Olive
I think I want to see this through.
This is what I want explained.
Red was my strongest invitee read att and I still think you’re likely invitee. So why? I thought purple’s readchange was based off them knowing who I was and I also hadn’t really considered the whole automan thing and didn’t try to disguise my posting beyond the obvious, so I thought I was a sitting duck to be nked.
I was definitely less confident on purple than I was on red, so it was very impulsive on my part. So even right after we paired I still had doubts but purple sounded very townie in our pt. I don’t know if that fully answers your questions or not? If not feel free to question this further.
In post 2, RH wrote:Automaton - You own an automaton, which you may use at any time during a Session to help you wrangle masks off. Unfortunately for you, the automaton doesn't have a return function so you may only use it once. Furthermore, you must tell it the true identities of both masqueraders in the pair that you want to target in order to successfully wrangle off their masks.
this can happen at any time so we might as well get it over with
if purple is town then the identity can be guessed
if purple is intruder then they have already won.
Counterpoint to this, if that’s the case, not necessarily. This argument would presume that hypothetical intruder purple would correctly guess both yours and red’s identities. So fypov,why aren’t you considering a possibility that purple could be intruder but not know who both of you are?
I just have to wonder why you aren’t even considering that as a possibility?
If purple is mafia and you are town, as long as you believe purple is definitely town then we can't eliminate purple and thus we lose if purple is mafia.
Upon a reread of the Intruder PM, I realised that it was implied that they were to specify a pair. Thus, I am changing my previous decisions so that all targets will be confirmed regardless of success, but incorrect guesses will not reveal identities. Instead, they will be treated similarly to a failed NK and it will be publicly confirmed that the Intruders have failed to guess.
After thinking over things, last night, I have decided to overrule my previous decisions.
Only correct guesses will reveal both the target and identities. Incorrect guesses will now reveal nothing but that the Intruders have been unsuccessful in guessing.
In hindsight this was a bad pairing - I liked the idea of pairing with teal because I too felt overwhelmed at the start of the game, found it hard to tell you apart, liked his Sus on purple, but it's actually awful because since then I've got some reads, etc, (I'm still lost on the Id side of the game, I'm so glad in not intruder, my partner would be so mad), and the content from them is still very much 'i'm lost'. I don't know if it's a) true b) a lie and I'm really suspectiblw to it.
My question to the wider group is: would teal continue being like this in the PT if they wwre scum? They aren't working to convince me of anything. Is the gamw going well enough for the intruders that they can be complacent??
I’ve been in numerous hoods and when I had a scum partner, they pretty much just went with whatever I argued. Scum doesn’t want to look suspicious or make waves and in a recent game I played with hoods, scum just seed to cue all of their posts, which had very little content, to appease their town partner.
If Teal isn’t expressing any independent thoughts, that’s a possible intruder tell. Considering they’re voting us, how can theu have no opinions in your pt and be lost?
If they’re so lost then why are they voteparked on us? Does that make any sense to you at all?
If it helps, in another secret alt game I was in, my scum partner claimed something similar and found like a gazillion excuses to post in our pt.
VOTE: teal
The incongruity between they’re voting us while claiming to be lost in their private pt makes absolutely no sense and they’re not even interested in trying to sort either of us, yet they so decisively voted.
If you’re truly that lost, you wouldn’t even be voting.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I am here and do not wish to be replaced. Olive continues to be convinced in their invitee read on magenta and their intruder read on teal, as I continue to be convinced in my invitee read on new red and my intruder reads on blue and teal. I am convinced olive and I were the targets of the first automata attack and it failed because of my efforts to remain hidden. I am weighing how best to elaborate in my responses to red and magenta as I feel undue levels of responsibility to not provide any means of identification whatsoever. Thank you red and magenta for your patience.
Purple, I am stuck in a very difficult situation. You and Olive are townreading each other based on meta that I cannot assess. Blue outright called you a liar based on your meta (which I didn't object to because it's fair to obscure identity). I want to assess if I am wrong on Blue, but it feels impossible. I can't ask you to out obviously, especially if Blue took a wrong guess at you.
If I ignore meta, then I'm stuck with the problematic timeline I described before. Given elo, I'm trying not to tunnel but your relationship feels like it has a scum.
Do you think you can help without outing identity?
Can you give me something on Blue besides they want to leave?
I see their behaviour is manipulative and intended to unsettle. I see their reaction to you is performative because they are really doing next to nothing to conceal their identity. I trust they are lying about knowing my identity and they are sacrificing their unhelpful partner teal in order to gain some credibility, while murdering olive's invitee read magenta in the process. I have faith their plan will fail because of my prior attempt to discourage green and magenta from pairing with teal.
I fortell that invitees will win now and the biggest obstacle is ensuring blue does not stumble upon my identity. As blue does not know my identity and they must guess it in order to kill olive who they know, I don't find tilt and despair are indicative of an invitee, if the tilt and despair are even sincere at all.
In post 406, Masquerader Olive wrote:I realize that I’m probably being unfair because none of you have access to our pt and perhaps if I didn’t, I maybe wouldn’t know what to think of purple but I do and no way does intruder purple make the posts in our pt that they are. I am not being pocketed in there and if cyan and yellow were still in the game, I wouldn’t care but I know I’m not wrong here but you need to pay attention the most to what’s happening in your pts because intruders cannot fake the degree of genuine solving that both me and purple are doing in ours. So, I will just straight out let the cat out if the bag. I know who purple is and that is my strongest reason for invitee reading them and unfortunately that’s all I can post about that in the main thread. If you either wrongly think I’m intruder or I don’t know what I’m talking about then I don’t know what to tell you but purple doesn’t make the kinds of posts in our pt as intruder. They just don’t. I’m kicking myself also but it was me who stupidly got cyan and yellow wrong, not purple.
I am refering to your tendency to not listen to other people and only care about your own reads.
I do not care about your accuracy.
It is unfun to play with
regardless of whether you are right or wrong
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Why would my accuracy not matter? Why would being accurate ever make me “unfun”? If you want to win games as town, you love players that are accurate, so this doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.
Being inaccurate and wrong is a drag but being right and accurate is what you dream of as town.
In post 252, Datisi wrote:Session I concludes in 2 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes.
how do deadlines work?
Assuming that it's directed at me and Datisi, I originally intended that if no players reach majority, it will be counted as a No-Lim.
However, upon realising that a majority in ELO is almost identical to Exiting the Session by a player's own accord, I'll allow plurality by seniority for ELO if ties occur.
Otherwise, there's no Plurality.
so what happens if we don't get 5 votes on a pair by the deadline?
I'll count it as a No-Lim. So nobody exits.
so what happens then? do we get a new session or do the mafia get to kill?
The Intruders are supposed to be using their Automaton during a Session so there'll be a new Session.
I misunderstood this. So no limming gives intruders more chances?
After thinking over things, last night, I have decided to overrule my previous decisions.
Only correct guesses will reveal both the target and identities. Incorrect guesses will now reveal nothing but that the Intruders have been unsuccessful in guessing.
Can you tell us how many attempts intruders have made so far?
