Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Endgame

[Frogsterking]

Look at this it's ridiculous, is Dannflor scum or is fire scum? Whichever one of you is Town has skill issue

[fireisredsir]

we all have skill issue tbh

[Frogsterking]

I'm considering hammering myself. If I do then I want to make a tier list of who posted the weirdest shittiest frog case.

[Frogsterking]

we all have skill issue tbh

True

[Dannflor]

I don't know looking back especially at the tweet > S_S > Mena wagons I feel like a lot of the stuff I was hard on fire for in my head applies to frogster worse in the end

like frogster hard hard defends scum so many times and then backs off as soon as he needs to

it is so much more agend-y

[Dannflor]

I'm considering hammering myself. If I do then I want to make a tier list of who posted the weirdest shittiest frog case.

ill make it easy by not posting a case

VOTE: frogster

[Dannflor]

idk this is what I was feeling at the start of day and I feel like this far in the game I am prone to overthinking and should just stick with my instincts

[Frogsterking]

The other thing that I find striking is there seems to me to be a marked difference in how frogster has approached today compared to other days in tone and substance. Previous days there were a lot of loud proclamations about who was scum and a lot of antagonism towards scum reads as well as sort of a brash confidence which seems to be completely gone today. He is definitely coasting. Unlike the other players who seem to have hesitation based off of being genuinely unsure of who could be scum out of the options frogster just doesn't seem to be thinking about it all that much.

I am kind of taken with that post that dannflor called town from frogster because something I try to do a lot is listen to people when they talk about things that they think about wrt others alignment because frequently they take those observations with their self as a baseline. Frogster said he thought I might be town because I haven't "burned out." But it seems like he himself has burned out a bit here.

This is probably mid tier because it's a really weird tinfoil that jumped off from something I said in a very wrong direction, divorced from all context in the game.

[Dannflor]

if it's not frogster my other idea is just that Titus is a serial killer lmao

[fireisredsir]

frog why is it that all game you have incredibly strong opinions on who is scum at any given moment and now it doesn't seem like you're even trying to figure out who is scum

[fireisredsir]

if it's not frogster my other idea is just that Titus is a serial killer lmao

actually possible lol

[Frogsterking]

I don't know looking back especially at the tweet > S_S > Mena wagons I feel like a lot of the stuff I was hard on fire for in my head applies to frogster worse in the end

like frogster hard hard defends scum so many times and then backs off as soon as he needs to

it is so much more agend-y

This is ranking high tier because Dannflor becomes trapped in his own mind, erasing all logic he's produced this game to replace it in an instant with a take that makes no sense.

[Dannflor]

it's the only thing that makes it make sense to me why nero cain wouldn't just kill scum but lol

[Dannflor]

trapped in my own mind is pretty accurate

[Frogsterking]

Where's fire's boring case from like a million pages ago? Fire did you post a crazier one or did you just keep desperately trying to pocket people today?

[Dannflor]

also I will admit all of gammas interactions towards fire do read like pocketing versus buddy interactions

*especially* for gamma

Baltar has the most awkward interactions with frogster out of everyone here ok im done i said i wasn't going to case

[Frogsterking]

trapped in my own mind is pretty accurate

Yes it looks you are, and it lead you down a very ineffective path that made no sense

[fireisredsir]

Where's fire's boring case from like a million pages ago? Fire did you post a crazier one or did you just keep desperately trying to pocket people today?

i didn't even have to try to pocket people they just hopped in all by themselves :>

[Dannflor]

if titus is scum tho i dunno how she wins here so I guess it's not something I'm particularly worried about beyond like

I will hate everything about this game if it turns out we cleared scum twice ina fucking row

[Dannflor]

trapped in my own mind is pretty accurate

Yes it looks you are, and it lead you down a very ineffective path that made no sense

so am i scum or not???

[Frogsterking]

frog
- enters immediately with confident opinions and a townread on skitter. it's strange, but frog can pull things out of nowhere sometimes, so whatever
- jumps on gamma very quickly (1732 and is suddenly very confident, with 1754, 1767, 1781) but as soon as scamper expresses a townlean he backs off completely in 1794
- 1877 I feel like this kinda tmis vp as scum but he votes dann instead (2476)


- just in general seems like he wants to work within town consensus but p consistently pushes away from the scum in those poes and towards the town (clears gamma very quickly, 1986, 2593, 4115, 4126)
- also tends to have very odd trajectories on flipped scum, treats gamma and vp as confscum basically from entrance but pushes elsewhere, and is willing to drop the gamma read without much pushback. then does the same thing once MT and mena replace in, suddenly they're immediately lockscum


- datisi mentioned this in 3648 but it was a good point that's worth bringing up again. which is that vp's frog read and frog iso in 2150 was super awkward
- 3698 is an awful look, pushing against dann for some posting that in hindsight looks like it was p insightful, and that led to a push on obscure
- only uses of TvT are when referring to scum (1661 with vp, 2461 with gamma, 4278 with gamma)
- i think a lot gets excused by frog being frog. im guilty of the same. his posts about eira were really bad as rightfully called out by scamper on page 185/186, i feel bad for giving him a pass on it


- is gone for a long time but shows up as the deas counterwagon to obscure is building (oops, i kinda started that, my bad) and joins deas 5030. he did have deas as a prior scumread, but it is convenient if paired with obscure. 5104 is p weird as well
- frog jumps on tweet pretty quickly in 5264 which is good ig, but it's also weird bc he was previously arguing against gamma being scum? his most recent expressed read is 4278 and he's mostly been calling gamma town. the read flip is just so sudden and seems unsupported
- i also kinda think 5479 feels like he cares more about showing how his trajectory on gamma is explainable and not as sketchy as it looks, under the guise of supposedly helping CSF reach a read on gamma


- having just read the full context, 5982 is just complete bs, GL did not have an open trajectory to vote DV, and would have looked horrible doing so
- he again, just like on tweet, does a very sudden complete flip of read on mena, despite previously townreading obscure and pushing against attempts to wagon him (most recent reads in 5180 and 5314), starting around 5752, with zero trajectory to support this, and yet soon after this he is pounding the table and insisting that mena is lockscum. speaking of, funny thing i noticed here was that frog demanded mena claim way before scamper pulled his gambit. mena ignored him, but i think that could be why mena was aware of his slot's claim already, and why he was very nonplussed by the scamper gambit
- I think lately he's settled in to his usual scum play of just confidently stating opinions and dodging questions




i think a lot of frog's play is difficult to understand coming from town, which isn't necessarily scummy for him. what stands out most to me is the way that his reads flip completely in ways that feel informed and don't have any real support behind them, especially on gamma, MT, and mena.

This is ranking low tier, fire posted the driest most boring and unreadable frog case out of everyone. The only thing that keeps it from being very low tier is that the amount of effort which went into writing such drivel is crazy in and of itself.

[Frogsterking]

trapped in my own mind is pretty accurate

Yes it looks you are, and it lead you down a very ineffective path that made no sense

so am i scum or not???

In the moment I'm leaning fire because they're the only one so far who put effort into trying to make scum!frog appear logical.

[Frogsterking]

i do think you are being extremely generous to frog here tho

I will try to reset and relook at Frog for you

Look at you getting pocketed like a total...I don't know. You were doing fine before this Dann.

[Dannflor]

what can I say I have my weaknesses

[Frogsterking]

frogsterking
- bad interactions with hem, defending him (4120, 4288) while having very few direct interactions with hem (s)
- the awkward read vpb had on frogster (d)
- 2593 is awful (s)
- hem did not interact with frogs at all (s)
- awful interactions with/around tweetie prior to her yeet - the awkward 5479, defending tweetie (5483), attacking deasvail (5504, 5509, 5514, 5520), BUT flipping back to tweetie right after scamper and dann vote her (5528) (s)
- that time scamper called out frogs for literally lying about eira's meta and nobody gave a shit (s)
- frogs being generous to tweetie/hem while not showing the same generosity to others eg. deas (s) (note: i am currently mulling over frog/mena interactions)

I can't tell if this goes in the mid or the high tier. On the one hand it's pure insanity and on the other hand it's mundane
"I SEE POST FROG MAKE. I SEE FROG SCUM. ME BIG TUNNEL HURR HURR."