Open 866: CK9++ [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup friends lets kill some bad guys

VOTE: lanmolde

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow is nobody around to shoot the shit with me

rude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

couldve scored some easy townpointz now im gonna just have to do my readlist cold

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: Totally High Effort Read List

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

blue looks better on you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NOT THIS TIME BABY

i felt her soul in this post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yup I like to hedge my bets

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he seems like the kind of player who would towntell under pressure if significant pressure is applied and if he doesn't and we kill him and he flips town I can be like yea I knew that was going to happen and if he flips scum I can be like yea I got that dude.

also like sitting around and waiting for nothing to happen is very boring

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw you think he's going to flip red?

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VOTE: cakeboi

choo choo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cakeboi has literally never been the same alignment as me like ever lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bella can u stop defending yourself and focus on hunting down bad guyz

self meta defense is boring

killing bad guys is fun

i will not vote you or call you a hellbusser until day 4

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also like joat is p much the best pr scum can have so p sure it doesnt get bussed on d1 for shits and giggles

cakes probly paralyzed scum lets win fast win ez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mb the mafia left is just roden and sir cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like id actually put decent odds atp roden/sircakez scum team

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both of them basically have shit interactions with lan molde and ghosting the thread not even pretending to solve

happy to kill either

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this feels like textbook demotivated scum team who dont post or try cuz they fell behind early

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

I want to know why the interactioms are shit between roden and lammolde amd cakez and lammolde.

do u know how to read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just pull up their iso

they make some offhand comment about lan being town and basically dont post in the thread

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Thank you for explaining, Pooky:

bella can u stop defending yourself and focus on hunting down bad guyz

self meta defense is boring

killing bad guys is fun

i will not vote you or call you a hellbusser until day 4

If town!Pooky thinks unknown!Bella is getting defensive, why call out and shut down the spew?

both of them basically have shit interactions with lan molde and ghosting the thread not even pretending to solve

happy to kill either

I'm not impressed with this point because I thought lammolde spewed Roden as Town. I also just finished a game with scum!Roden and they were really proactive as scum in a really townsided setup and worked hard to dig their way out of a hole when their scum buddy Greeting got fragged D2 and I was scum casing them from like page 1. I guess I could see an argument that Greeting was coaching them so they overperformed, but Greeting didn't do all that great that game and I feel like Roden is way more likely to be Town who isn't all that into this game.

Can you elaborate why lammolde has shit interactions with roden and cakez? Also, how solvey is Cakez normally as Town? I've played like one game with them and they were Town and just said some random stuff and then flaked out.

1. cuz its a distraction, we dont need pages of bella going back to back with bbt about how she doesnt bus or whatever. it doesnt get us anywhere.

2. i havent read lanmoldes spew i just isoed cakez/roden.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

d e s p e r a t e flail much

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this feels like textbook demotivated scum team who dont post or try cuz they fell behind early

when have I ever ONCE ghosted on a failing scum team
i always try and you know that we've gone to war so much at this point

also ya I +1 SK theory cuz I don't see why a vig would have shot either of those people

you pretty much went awol in Eurybia's curse on your scum team then you had to drink like a gallon of vodka just to find the courage to even post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

confbias

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also what readflip

i had lanmolde as town rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i put on my wizard robe now i am innocent child

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rekt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cakez is obvscum and i cant believe he is somehow still alive smdh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we just commit election fraud somehow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game just ended so I can quote this now:

this is how town cakes feels about me:

viewtopic.php?p=13503084#p13503084

he forgot about it this game cuz he's a scum fuck lolololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky is playing like a shitter but honestly I don't know what to do with him because I feel like most of my desire to SR him just comes from him being really obnoxious towards me every time we play together

this just sounds like you're mad about being caught for the wrong reasons or w/e

also like if i'm mafia and you're town, why would I be obnoxious? the whole point of being scum is to vote out townies. I'd just be playing to my win con. you kinda tmiing that I'm town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I kind of feel like if you were town you would've just voted me like 10 days ago or w/e instead of doing this whack ass I dunno handwringing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

refute what he was literally afk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here's game link:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89546

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea he survived by pretending not to know what was going on.

very present

much thread influence

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also his team lost so surviving wasnt exactly useful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

stealing this from enchant

VOTE: BBT

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enchant jealous cuz i stole her hammer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: cakez

you'd think all these people who were wrong about btt would have some humility and sheep me but apparently I am being blamed for some reason

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i would like get annoyed and rant but I realize I don't actually care because in multiball even if I get yeeted here, the SK will kill cakeboi at night for being obvscum because this town cant find a bad guy with a map

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you hammer town all the time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I never hammered town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sk need mafia dead to win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean if sk decides to throw too then lol ok we lose

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the 3 people with votes yesterday were:

cakes[who I wanted to kill but like 1 person voted with me at the end?]
me[I don't want to kill myself]
bbt[got like 5 votes and its only 10 alive so writing was on the wall i just save time]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what evidence this is a mafia game sir

we r all just guessing at what we think happened

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cakez treatment of me this game makes me feel he knows I'm town

it's very soft

usually when cakez is town he is ranting and raving about KILL EVIL BEAR DIE DIE DIE or some shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually I guess he says that when he's scum and i'm town too but still it feels weird af he being all softie with me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

honestly I feel demotivated cuz im vt and this is multiball at 5-2-1 so if we lim VT the scum at 4-2-1 probly try to crosskill and if we lim scum then scum probly try to shoot town so its fine if i die i dont really give a fuck i just want to make sure scum understand they're supposed to be trying to shoot each other if we lim town today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like doesnt matter to me if we lim cakes then scum shoot me or if we lim me then sk shoots cakes either way we both deadz

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How you know this is 5-2-1?

theres no setup with 2 total mafia and mafia joat and sk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, explain the cakes thing to me slowly?

ok Bella SK Cakez Main Scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How you know this is 5-2-1?

theres no setup with 2 total mafia and mafia joat and sk

Read setup again.

??

Scum Roles
TTTTTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, serial killer
TTTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT (roleblock, ninja kill, strongman kill) OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}**
TTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TTTT = mafia goon, mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}
TTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer
TT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, {godfather OR mafia tailor}
T = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}, serial killer
0 Ts = mafia tailor, mafia godfather, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker}

where is there 2 groupscum[with a joat] + 1 SK?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

TTTTT = mafia goon, {mafia JOAT OR mafia roleblocker} OR {godfather OR mafia tailor}, serial killer

oh I misread the middle of this I thought it was and

it is written very confusingly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

should we just mass claim atp cuz tomm is mylo most of the time no

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we both alrdy claimed vt dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mala are you going to pretend to play at any point in this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

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this is the worlds slowest mass claim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

probly

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I think Gamma is telling the truth. Pooky tried to kill me/Enchant who were on his wagon yesterday. Regardless of how the claims play out this is 1 anti town slot.

lol frogster just claimed sk

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VOTE: frogster

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remember the only people who know who did the nightkill on roden are mafia and the SK

frogster is speaking with CERTAINTY that the mafia kill is not on roden which he can only have if he was the one who killed roden last night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well I'm a doctor
I targeted Frog both nights because I felt like anything else was "too much of a fancy play", definitely should have thought more about my n2 action given enchant was also claimed going there but whatever
I do still trust Enchant, tho DV is in an interesting spot as atp there would need to be like 3 Ps in play for me, Enchant, and the alleged JK to be in play

I did just check tho and I would have stopped the kill outright had one targeted frogster tho so that's noteworthy

because I wasn't paying attention when I submitted my action

I thought this was sketch at first but Gamma just finished modding a game where they got distracted and killed the wrong target for the vig.

trying to curry favor with gamma

also literally makes no sense to say

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lol frogster literally panick flailing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think cakez is probably more likely to be SK or Vig than groupscum. That's the real reason behind pooky's push. The process pooky is using makes a lot of sense if you're looking for SK/Vig only and not groupscum. I think pooky + bella look partnered today, and D1 I noticed lammolde pushed Enchant a lot harder than Bella, and their early interactions about the account and stuff kind of look like scum theater/distancing. I think Bella + lammolde weren't planning a bus and were distancing while their partner lurked out, and pooky entered the game and saw his partners pushing each other and I had just posted a WoT on his weakest scum buddy and pooky was like alright Bella lammolde is dead, let's push someone offwagon tomorrow and hope we get lucky with the Town rolls. When there were 2 deaths pooky deduced roden/cakez were most likely to be the Vig or SK and he pushed cakez first because it's in his town meta. I think if Cakez had claimed something other than Vig or SK and it sounded believable pooky was planning to switch to Roden. IMO it's best to wagon pooky first while we still have Enchant and I'd also be down to wagon Bella.

Low certainty

on all of this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you forget you've been pushing me for being mafia that's sk hunting and bussing lanmolde and all the other horseshit you spewed yesterday lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I believe with

low certainty

that pooky hit correctly his first try on cakez by the way.

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If it's an SK and it's not Cakez then BBT is my 2nd choice for 3rd party. I was thinking for a while that Bella might be Vig because I felt like they were kind of soft claiming it and then Enchant claimed and Bella looks like a scum flip now.

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all this focus on me being mafia who is hunting SK only makes sense from your POV if you're SK

but now you're dropping the narrative completely to say i could be SK

which is pretty LOL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you really are enjoying this projection thing huh lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

frogster is clearly the SK

we will see I am right when we flip him or when the game ends

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How does it not make sense?
That demonstrates that I’m not exactly in full possession of my mental faculties.

cuz if he believes you're the doctor and he's a vt he should be trying to set up a chain link with you/enchant cross protecting each other

instead hes just trying to get you on his side and keep his own ass protected

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I believe with

low certainty

that pooky hit correctly his first try on cakez by the way.

LOL

I have the presence of mind to underline the

low certainty

because I tinfoil so much.

did you forget you've been pushing me for being mafia that's sk hunting and bussing lanmolde and all the other horseshit you spewed yesterday lol

Clearly you didn't. Motivation for the NK right here.

At the time of writing 546 I thought you were some anti town role who was pissed at my tinfoil either way:

Pooky also hammers BBT (who was voting him) and wants the day to end asap. I stand by *some* of my takes yesterday in that I think Pooky is/was genuine in their read on Cakez.

You imagined what you wanted to see in 546 because you're looking for the SK. I think it's also a bad sign that you value my D2 tinfoil higher than I do because I think it implies that you know it has some value.

PEdit:

You're wrong about the SK by the way, I suspect your first guess on Cakez was correct.

yea you've been pushing me as bussing scum all of yesterday now you think I could be the SK sure dude definitely not just making shit up

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lets say you/enchant/deasvail are doctor bodyguard bodyguard

you protect enchant, enchant protects deasvail, deasvail protects you.

no single nightkill can pierce this chain of protection right?

or more simply if you don't trust both of them, you only trust one of them, you can set up cross protect like you protect one of them and one of them protects you.

think about the point of saying something like "I believe Gamma"

if the goal of the statement is he thinks you're town and true doc then why isnt he trying to set up these loops? he doesnt give a shit about setting things up so you get protected - he just wants to be protected himself

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like put yourself in frogsters shoes

you're a VT who's getting protected by doctor/bodyguard and you think bodyguard/doctor are both real[hes stated he thinks you're town and enchant is town]

why not tell bodyguard/doctor to protect each other? its like unkillable masons

his goal is not setup town to win he just wants to be protected. him saying he believes you is meant to keep you protecting him

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like why does he even care if he gets killed at night if he's a VT???

bodyguard + doctor can just chain protect each other and stay alive - VT is useless no?

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yea thats the point

you're not getting pushed

you're getting killed at night

so whats the point of saying he believes you and not setting up the protection so you dont get killed at night??

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so has to be strongman sk shoot thru deasvail bg if deasvail is telling truth

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think best way foward=

enchant/deasvail both protect gamma

gamma protect enchant

lim frogster

p sure frogster flips sk this reduces the nk count to 1 and makes sure our tpr core is basically unkillable

lim thru rest of poe

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so has to be strongman sk shoot thru deasvail bg if deasvail is telling truth

Ahhh, I didn’t realise the SK could be strongman

After all that, Pooky flips SK

didnt you say my kill on you got blocked at night

if im strongman sk how does my kill get blocked??

rekt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so why arent u voting cakez lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

frogster sk ran out of room to run gg

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If we kill SK today, mafia will most likely concede, as it's like 1% percent win for them. So we need to do so. Somehow.

That explains a lot actually (Pooky's OMGUS onto me.) He had to pivot onto me off of Cakez to avoid auto loss.

My solve for the VTs are

Pooky groupscum
Mala groupscum
Frog VT
Bella VT
Cakez SK

I'm pretty confident but I'll wait like 12 hours or w.e

i literally voted you because you slipped that you are the SK

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also i didnt even know i was supposed to be hunting the strongman sk until deas claimed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wanted to yeet cakez cuz he is groupscum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

please what

r u going to vote cakez or keep pretending

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

frogster sk trapped himself in a prison of his own lies

thought he was going to cakewalk to a win with all the town protectives on him but now malding

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also i know cakez isnt sk cuz cakez sk wouldve shot me night one rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually i am going to look like a moron if sir cakez actually is the sk but i still think its you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tho u pretty much cant be mafia cuz how d1 went so you have more sk equity than sir cakez does by definition.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i guess it could be bella but then we'd both be clowning

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

poe of 5 contains 2 vts 2 mafia 1 SK

im vt

frogster/bella are unlikely to be mafia cuz of d1

therefore sk is between frog/bella

i think leaning towards frog cuz bella reaction felt like she was like fuck off dude

tho i guess maria kill could make sense from her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to lim sk to lock up town win assuming the protectives are real

gamma being doc explains the missing kill

you basically never endgame

think enchant is always just town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like we can take the slam dunk mafia elim but sk strongman will kill our doc and then no autowin

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if all scum r in the 5

i know im not mafia

i think bella and frog r not mafia from how they killed lanmolde

therefore the two mafia are mala/cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the sk is literally the only person who can kill you r u serious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we lim the sk we win the game automatically

groupscum cant kill thru doctor + 2 BGs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

elimming mafia means sk kills the doctor tonight and mafia kills a bg and you play hunt for the sk at elo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is like basic mech

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also if i was actually mafia id probly just let myself get eliminated so the sk stays alive and kills gamma and breaks the chain loop for me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its like nobody in this game understands how the mech is supposed to work rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

5 town alive.
2 mafia alive.
1 SK alive.

We elim town > mafia shot outside, SK kills protective. Most likely result: 2 conftown, 2 mafia, 1 SK. Situation is pretty sad.
We elim mafia > mafia shot outside, SK kills protective. Most likely result: 3 town (2 conf), 1 mafia, 1 SK. Winnable potentially, but can still be fucked up.
We elim SK > mafia shot outside and can't kill Doctor+BG pair. Win in most situations, expect totally incompetence.

Not assuming mafia can try to kill BG (but doctor can stop them hopefully) or mafia shoting SK. Then situation will change (for better or worse).

Just in a case i don't really care, if you WANT to go for long possible win, then fine?


Btw

message for SK

.

Spoiler: for SK (don't read if you are not but you will do it anyway

Killing Doctor is same thing for you as killing BG, it removes conftown. You are ignoring all protections and can't be stopped.

But consider this: You are in pool of 5 players, 2 of them are mafia. If mafia wants to kill you, they very likely to deduce you and at worst it's 1/3 chance for them. And they will likely to want to kill you, if they believe you are killing Doctor this night, so there's no one disrupting them from shitfight with town (which they can win actually if doctor removed and you are dead, not otherwise).
If we somehow elim town, then killing Doctor is worst decision you can make here, as it's spells doom on you (1/2 chance to kill you for mafia so they can miselim remaining town and win). Alive doctor in other situations will mostly make your life just more comfortable, as mafia will be reluctant to touch you. Simple existance of this message protects you from their anger, yeah. So there's really no point in losing this advantage.

As long as Doctor alive, you are keyfigure mafia will not want to lose and will protect. If Doctor perish or believed to die at night, mostly mafia will want to remove you ASAP or throw you under bus. You have no harm from doctor being alive. Mafia do.

I propose this (regardless of how elim wents):
I bodyguard Gamma.
Deus bodyguard Gamma.
Gamma protects Me OR Deus with 50%/50% chance, so if mafia decides to shot at BGs, they will never be sure. Blocking hit will be gradual help.

2 conftown 2 mafia 1 sk is still a town win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

math it out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bruh thats what im saying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

heres game summary:

i am vt
mathblade doctor
enchant bodyguard for sure
deasvail probly bodyguard? should never endgame
frog/bella one of them is strongman sk the other is vt
cakez/mala mafia team

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz enchants scum play is not v good

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Alright, i really do think it's SK game and i don't really care cuz role sucks, so i claim.

I am Bodyguard. I protected Frogster N1.

It makes 2 PRs. If we in SK game (which prob is), then there's 2 futures:
1. There's no other PRs. Therefore there's no point in my role and i want to die anyway, so fuck it.
2. There's other PRs (+2 or +4 in fact). These either Investigatives (then good luck to them), or these are protectives/Action manipulations (Unlikely). While it could be M, i doubt so as well can assume there are not.

Btw if you DID roll Doctor, heal me obvs. If you rolled another BG, don't bodyguard me, because i asked, you can't get shot instead of BG getting shot and why would you die instead of me anyway. If you jailkeeper, idk go jail anyone, don't jail me though (again what point).


My role borderline useless, but if they target me, they won't target someone else instead, so my goal as bg kinda complete.
Finally, Unjester wincon.

this is v town and lanmolde probly spew him not scum on d1

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cuz enchants scum play is not v good

A scum was elimmed D1.

That is not good for scum no?

yea thats more reason why enchant probly town this game

scum enchant would just give up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did u read none of what i posted about a strongman sk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its like a fucking superpower u have dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the sk strongman would shoot thru a protection

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if dv is town then the sk must be a strongman

if dv is not town then dv is not endgaming because dv should never survive tonight

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dV claimed bodyguard with a protection on Maria

A strongman sk would kill thru protection

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz there is literally no such thing as a scum blocker role and his protection target died at night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol im going to laugh so hard when frogster flips sk or wins as the sk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the sk is either frogster or bella

sir cakez has 0 sk equity from my pov

i am willing to elim sir cakez to complete the throw and gloat post game when it is shown i am right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not going to argue with mathblade for another 30 pages i have decided to take the high road this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nobody suspected frogster

so by definition nobody dead suspected frogster


if we r going by nka maria did suspect bella

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the reason i think frogster is sk is becuz he slipped and then ghosted

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Pooky even as mafia has every reason to be SK-hunting rn

Pooky is focused on survival.

If he accepts the PoE he’s done

Because even if we are wrong in that pool of four and flip the only town
Then mafia and SK all know each other and it’s a matter of attrition.

Mafia lose that every time

by this definition if im mafia i lose no matter what and i shouldnt even try!

yet here i am trying

gee i wonder what my alignment is

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Pooky even as mafia has every reason to be SK-hunting rn

lol what

if im mafia i wouldnt sk hunt

if mafia lims the sk here the looped protectives become unkillable and the game is over

the only way the mafia can win is if the sk shoots the doctor for them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its actually hilarious how any1 can think im anti town atp but im here for the laugh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we can see who is right when the game is over i have no interest in arguing with you again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will congragulate you and eat crow if im somehow wrong i just dont think im wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

p sure its between bella and frog but sure go off homie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hype

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i shouldve hammered cakez

for the gram

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

people should just listen to me instead of clowning smh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do we just kill mala here and hope the last scum and the sk off each other

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what do you think froggy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually it is kind of shady how the sk didnt kill the claimed doctor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what if the doctor is the sk all along

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which would mean scum doubled up the kill on roden!?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mathblade if you claim sk i am willing to take you off the table since eliminating the sk is losing for town rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also whoever is sk should just claim so we dont accidentally lim you lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its amazing how everyone refuses to listen to me

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do you guys not understand we need to flush out the SK to set up a cross kill otherwise we just lose

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if we don't flush out the SK we might as well no lim

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its amazing how everyone refuses to listen to me

I am listening. I just disagree and think you’re scum.

If SK claims they do but it’s plain as day we can’t elim them so we can’t force them out.

SK’s only shot at winning is elimming mafia today then shooting the other mafia tonight.

you disagreed with me yesterday and made me vote for sircakez rofl

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we need cross kills to win the game

we cant get a cross kill if the mafia dont know who the SK is

which part of this do you not understand

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SK’s only shot at winning is elimming mafia today then shooting the other mafia tonight.

sk has no incentive to shoot in the pool of people who are likely mafia because they are likely to get eliminated and SK wants those people to be alive so the SK does not get eliminated

the SK is going to shoot in the pool of people being protected

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@Mod if 2 bodyguards protect the same person and that person gets shot at night, what happens?

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which part of if the mafia dont know who the SK is then they cant kill the SK do you not understand

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how would the mafia know who the SK is

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also why would the mafia even shoot the SK

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we elim a mafia today

we go to night at 1 mafia 1 sk 3 town

1 mafia 1 SK and the mafia just decides to shoot the SK why?

doesnt the mafia lose if the SK shoots a town and then its 1 mafia vs 2 town

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if we vote the sk

the sk would rather claim

than like not claim right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so i finally read what this setup actually is and we basically have to have a bodyguard+doctor so deasvail and mathblade are confirmed town right?

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i also asked the mod what happens if a doctor+bodyguard just loop protect each other and he said mafia can't kill through it.

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so if we eliminate the SK, we go into night with doctor-bodyguard-vt vs 2 mafia

bg protects doctor, doctor protects bg - mafia kill VT, game ends in a draw between mafia/town because mafia can't reach majority.

BUT

if the doctor does a hero protect on the VT, maybe town wins instead. at minimum you ensure a draw.

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now let's say we miss and somehow eliminate the VT instead of the SK

then we go into night at

SK - 2 Mafia - Doctor&BG

Mafia will shoot SK?

SK will shoot Mafia?

we probly still win?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

…DV is literally mechanically confirmed town for the past two days.

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VOTE: Bella

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if we elim mala and she's groupscum


we go into night with

bg+doc+vt+sk+groupscum


groupscum/sk have no incentive to cross shot

sk shoots doctor or bg

groupscum shoots doctor or bg

we open with 1 doc/bg 1 vt 1 sk 1 groupscum

which is like not good

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ok look at it from the POV of the SK.

they know the BG+Doctor are protecting each other.


they know the mafia cant kill BG or Doctor.

so if they shoot the mafia, they open tommorrow at SK vs 2 conftown

which is auto loss

hence the SK will not shoot the mafia

look at it from the point of view of the mafia:

they don't even know who the SK is.

but lets say they do know who the SK is.

if they shoot the SK, they open tommorrow as what ? conftown+VT vs Mafia? is that winning for the mafia?

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like if we elim a groupscum here, we lose all motivation for cross-shooting and SK/Mafia will aim at town

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It’s better than the other option mafia has.

Say we elim SK today.

Then we have me and DV who autoprotect each other.

Mafia shoots at not conf town and they die.

So we have one VT and two conf town v 2 mafia.

That becomes win or lose tomorrow which gives at best 33% odds.

?

if we elim sk

mafia shoots vt

then its 2v2 and a draw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok if you elim group scum

you will go into night with


BG+Doc, VT, SK, Mafia

SK will shoot in BG/Doc

Mafia will shoot VT

tommorrow it will be Conftown + Mafia + SK.

which is always a town loss

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the only setup we can be in is PPPKTTT

which means the 2 protective roles are confirmed town to each other


so let's say we elim one of the groupscum today and we go into night with 2 conftown protectives, VT, Strongman SK, Mafia

The SK knows the Mafia can't kill the conftowns since the conftowns will protect each other

if the SK does not kill the protectives at night, the SK wakes up tommorrow vs 2 conftowns and autolosses

therefore the SK will ALWAYS shoot a protective.

the mafia KNOW this

if the Mafia shoots the SK,

then they wake up tommorrow with VT, Mafia, Conftown

which is basically always a loss for the Mafia

therefore the Mafia will not shoot the SK, the Mafia will shoot the VT

which means tommorrow we will wake up with

Conftown, Mafia, SK

which is always 100% a loss for the town.

if the mafia or SK is voted out, the town loses

if the conftown is voted out, the town loses

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It’s actually not. Town just votes no elim and prays for cross kill as mafia and SK don’t win

Mafia won’t shoot town unless they want to avoid that. They have to shoot SK

why would the mafia and the SK decide to no lim and go to night and shoot each other to let town win?

they can just vote out the townie

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like you're assuming the mafia/sk both just decide to throw the game to the town at the end lol

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You’ve argued we can’t elim the SK else mafia wins

this is not what i said

if we elim the SK

we go into night with VT Doc BG vs 2 Groupscum

if Mafia shoot VT and Doc/BG protect each other - its 2v2 draw
if Mafia shoot Doctor and Doc/BG protect each other, its 2v3 town win
if Mafia shoot VT and Doc protects VT, its 2v3 town win
if Mafia shoot Doctor and Doctor protects VT, its 2v2 Mafia win.

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It’s actually not. Town just votes no elim and prays for cross kill as mafia and SK don’t win

Mafia won’t shoot town unless they want to avoid that. They have to shoot SK

why would the mafia and the SK decide to no lim and go to night and shoot each other to let town win?

they can just vote out the townie

Because mafia and SK both lose there

they both lose if they no lim and shoot each other

theres no incentive to let the town win

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They lose either way might as well let town win in that world

The more I argue with you the more I just want to vote you and say fuck it I am done

why would mafia let town win?

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i am giving you a solution where we can get a draw and a fair chance at winning

you want to go down a path where everyone loses

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You’ve argued we can’t elim the SK else mafia wins

this is not what i said

if we elim the SK

we go into night with VT Doc BG vs 2 Groupscum

if Mafia shoot VT and Doc/BG protect each other - its 2v2 draw
if Mafia shoot Doctor and Doc/BG protect each other, its 2v3 town win
if Mafia shoot VT and Doc protects VT, its 2v3 town win
if Mafia shoot Doctor and Doctor protects VT, its 2v2 Mafia win.

this is my proposed plan for how we get mafia vs town draw or one side wins

your proposed plan where we lim groupscum ends up with town losing 100% of the time

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You’re literally now arguing elim the SK when before you said not to.

Like ???

i didnt know how the roles worked before

i asked datisi and now I realized its actually fair solution for it to go to night with 3 town vs 2 mafia

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like just read my plan and tell me whats wrong with it

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im being good faith here with the negotiations,

this is a kingmaker endgame and I want our sides to have fair chances

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no in 2v2 its a draw

2 mafia vs town bodyguard + town doctor is a draw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i asked Datisi about this already

mafia cant kill either of the town roles and since neither side can get majority its a draw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok thats fair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hf!

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if you eliminate groupscum there is no way for town to win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um r u going to vote frog back or what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if the sk votes for me my partner will get revenge at night

you dont even have 4 town votes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

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And I also asked who wins if SK is by itself it’s the SK

So 1v1v1 is crownmaker either way

So voting is loss no matter what

So no voting means mafia and SK decide by deaths

If SK wins it lives
If mafia lives SK has to be dead

So SK shoots whoever
Mafia has to shoot SK

So likely SK shoots mafia in a fit of you won’t let me win

And town lives as victor in a 1v1v1 world

I will tell SK and mafia it’s your win to lose and I won’t force one to win or lose

also this is delusional

there is no world in which 1v1v1 both the SK and the mafia decide to let the town win out of the goodness of their hearts

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if we're going to lose we're going to make the town lose too

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I am offering you a fair deal where everyone has a chance to win

you're trying to make me let you win

I will reiterate this - if you don't give me a chance to win, I will not give you a chance to win either

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you have a 50:50 shot to block my nightkill

you guess right you win, you guess wrong I win.

that's as fair as it gets for both of us

if you want to put me in a spot where I have 0% probability of winning, I have no reason to let you win either

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the only way your plan can possibly result in a town win is if the mafia let you win

and i am telling you now that we will not let you win if you decide to go down this path

there is no SK kingmaker for you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can work with me and get a 50:50 shot at winning or elim me and get 0% chance of winning

your choice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in no universe are we going to shoot the SK for you when we dont even know who the SK is


so the SK will shoot a protective

you will open tommorrow at 1 VT 1 conftown 1 SK 1 mafia

if you elim either of the anti-town you lose to the other one.

if you decide to no lim we will holster AGAIN and let the SK kill the town one by one

if the SK decides to kill us they dig their own grave

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also there is no chance we actually betray the SK because we dont even know who the SK is


and if the SK thinks we might betray the SK at night, the SK can simply holster to verify that we are on auto holster.


if we betray the SK and shoot it, we autolose the next day

hence we have no incentive to betray the SK

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why would we kill the SK for you rofl

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I already explained how you have a 50:50 chance of winning with my plan

if you outguess me you win, you dont outguess me i win

instead you want me to throw the game and let you win for free

obviously I reject your proposal

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if we're going to lose we're going to make the town lose too

this is why you're getting eliminated

well you're simply shortsighted

we will simply holster and let the SK murder you all one by one

the SK has no incentive to shoot the mafia because the SK will get voted out

if the mafia shoots the SK we will get voted out

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if the mafia shoots the SK, the mafia gets voted out by the town tommorrow - mafia loss

if the SK shoots the mafia - the SK gets voted out by the town tommorrow - SK loss

you seem to think if you spin enough we will both suddenly forget how to play and decide to shoot each other

in reality all that will happen is mafia no kill and SK shoots your conftowns one by one

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So what I hear is you complaining you’re not getting what you want and town is screwed either way

my offer to you is a fair one

50:50 shot at winning for both sides

you're the one trying to screw me over and make us all lose

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whatever happens Math, it's been fun <3

also it's all good pooky! looking forward to seeing how it all goes down.

Vote 1 POOKY!

PEdit: You have your goals and I have mine. I'm not complaining about what you're doing, so please don't complain about what I'm doing.

lol pls dont take this as a complaint i am having fun


it is better to have someone to talk with than no1 to talk with ^_^

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well we did try but someone wouldnt listen to me about who the sk was rofl

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gg i had fun

thx for modding dats

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i was kind of counting on that lol