Warrior Cats Mafia: ShadowClan PT

[Datisi]

catboi, how sure are you bell is towm

pedit: currently phoneposting in a supermarket so no sorry

[Something_Smart]

you can't even give, like, a one sentence summary?

[catboi]

catboi, how sure are you bell is towm

pedit: currently phoneposting in a supermarket so no sorry

uh like immediate ballpark I'd say 85%

I can give his ISO a look later when I get home but I don't think the stuff you're suspecting him for is at all typical of his scumplay.

[Something_Smart]

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

this is interesting because, they were kinda right the first time. it

is

due to pressure to do more in order to get townread, and they just played in a game where I got mislimmed so I feel like they should be able to figure that out?

that makes this ring kinda hollow to me, though on the other hand, they clearly weren't informed of my true motivation. But I doubt that scum would be sharing something like that with each other, there's no need to.

[Something_Smart]

I guess it's kinda reasonable to mistake my early play as being within my normal playstyle if you aren't that familiar with me.

[Datisi]

you can't even give, like, a one sentence summary?

post with multiquotes bad

he spemt time photoshoping my avatar to be funny instead of contributing which i think is scum-indicative

the reaction of "at least i will be mire engaged now im under pressure!!" is scummy

despite that reaction he has not produced content

[Datisi]

he spemt time photoshoping my avatar to be funny instead of contributing which i think is scum-indicative

the reaction of "at least i will be mire engaged now im under pressure!!" is scummy

i did the former in smugglers so i think i understand the scum way of thought behind it

i do the latter sometimes too

also the ratio of him asking questions and demanding ppl answer and explain them in lemgth to him actually using those responses for ANYTHING is bad

[Something_Smart]

I guess we'll have to see what content he produces, but I'm generally pretty skeptical of "appearing to deliberately avoid giving content" being scummy, because like, scum know they have to give content to not die. So it would just be a strategy of treading water/trying to fly under the radar which doesn't work so well in a game where everyone knows each other.

Idk Kitty's full history but I know he has been limmed as scum on D1 before, and I know he posted almost nothing. (It was actually a plurality lim with 4 out of 13 people voting) so unless he, just, doesn't adapt or try to improve at all, he would presumably know this strategy isn't going to go great. I could maybe check the scum PT for that game to see if he explained why he did that but I think it didn't have daytalk

[Something_Smart]

his play this game feels kinda like what my normal townplay was like (e.g. what I was trying not to do this game because it got me mislimmed a lot)

[Datisi]

so why did it take you until you started shitting on me to actually defend him

[Dannflor]

I'm kinda just waiting to see if Kitty is frozen or if he keeps trying to play the game

I suspect he's going to continue not posting much content and making excuses if scum

[Something_Smart]

because I didn't understand the arguments against him till today

[Something_Smart]

this is so exciting I'm doing scum theater as town

[Datisi]

it's called neighbour theatre you nerd

[Datisi]

catboi what do you think of pp now

[Datisi]

this is so exciting I'm doing scum theater as town

do you wanna do more we can do more if you want

[Datisi]

i think pp is scum, prove me wrong

[Something_Smart]

do you wanna do more we can do more if you want

I feel like that particular conversation has run its course. I don't like your reasoning, I believe you've fully clarified it, it didn't make me feel any better.

[Datisi]

i find it funny because i literally don't even understand what your problem is and if this were anyone but you, i probably would've tried to kill you for it lole

[Something_Smart]

if this were anyone but you, i probably would've tried to kill you for it lole

huh, why's that

[Datisi]

if this were anyone but you, i probably would've tried to kill you for it lole

huh, why's that

(1) taking a very VERY obvious joke as serious, aka cognitive load
(2) trying to make me appear like scum for reasons that are so basically flawed i don't believe it's a town thought process and literally feels like scum making up nonsense to push me

like i said, it's coming from you and i'm kind of used to you having thought processes that make less than zero sense to me so /shrug

[Something_Smart]

what joke did I take as serious? if it's 911 I acknowledged that that was a joke and it was part of my argument

[Something_Smart]

and I don't think I ever tried to make you appear like scum; I only explained the reasons I personally thought you were scummy and I've been around the block enough to know that nobody else is going to give a shit.

[Something_Smart]

my issue is that caring about the outcome, without caring about the process by which others arrived at that outcome, is bad. To me it indicates that you don't care about working with others, or helping them understand your arguments, or reaching a consensus; you only care about killing the people you want dead. Which is fundamentally unsustainable, because if people are using bad logic, eventually that's not going to line up with what you want. (Not to mention, if everyone else's logic for killing X is complete nonsense, that probably increases the chance that X is town and scum are targeting them.)

[Datisi]

and I don't think I ever tried to make you appear like scum; I only explained the reasons I personally thought you were scummy and I've been around the block enough to know that nobody else is going to give a shit.

i think "making me appear like scum" and "explaining the reaosns why i thought it was scummy" is the same thing - the first part just extra implies that i think your reasons are fabricated and deliberately bad faith

as for the first point, that is my bad - i guess it feeds into the fact that even now, after arguing with you about it for so many posts, i still literally do not understand what your problem is and why you think i'm scummy for it and my brain simplified it as "you took a joke post i made as seriously" because that's the closest thing my brain can come to understanding what your current problem with my slot is because nothing else makes even remote sense to me