Warrior Cats Mafia: ShadowClan PT

[mastina]

catboi, how sure are you bell is town

I'm not catboi but for me, 100%. Bell's genuinely the only slot up there with {you, catboi, Dannflor} in terms of towniness.

[mastina]

not to be a confbiaser but uhhh marashu/kitty s/s ez clap?

Not unless it's Alisae+Norwee+S_S as the scumteam exactly.

I can see Marashu+Kitty vs Norwee + Alisae with S_S on the side being viable.

In all other scenarios, Marashu is town.

(It would need to be two scum on one side, two scum on the other, final scum in the middle. S_S fits as "in the middle" but technically any player not taking a hard side on them works.)

(And to be clear, I'm not sure S_S is scum but he is in the scum pool and has suspicious stuff.)
(And to be more clear, no, I don't believe the scumteam is those 4-5. Norwee+Alisae+Kitty is possible. Norwee+Alisae+S_S is possible. Both is possible. But that entire team of five is incredibly unlikely.)

[mastina]

Mastina, I have a hang up with you rnow and honestly it’s just that I expect more paranoia from you regarding this hood?

???

Do you have me confused for someone else, Dann???

I'm literally the person who enters every neighborhood, even (or especially) in games where every player has a neighborhood, calling them a masonry.

That's the baseline for me.

In literally any game, ever, where I show

any

suspicion in the neighborhood--that is the divergence from the norm. The norm is clearing the entire neighborhood.

I also tend to not change my reads much. I

can

, if I forget the reason why I held a read and/or new evidence makes me believe my prior read was wrong. But neither condition has been met for any of you three.
I still know exactly why all three of you are town--and literally all your posts only

increase

that townread, not decreasing it. Like, you trio are a beacon of towniness. A trifecta of power. Genuinely unbeatable if scum don't kill you, which is why you're probably the first three nightkills in the game. (Yes, in spite of you not having accurate reads. Read accuracy doesn't matter; the obvtown-who-are-charismatic does. Just the

threat

of your accuracy while being obvtown is enough.)

The only read in the neighborhood I'm less certain of is Something_Smart. I explicitly started the game thinking that he was scum. I'm not as sure anymore since is more recent neighborhood posts are townier, but they're not so town as to be beyond the level scum can demonstrate. So if we have scum in here, it is 100% him, always.

It's never any of you because all of you have demonstrated yourselves to be town in ways that just cannot be faked, both in here and in the gamethread.

[mastina]

I'm literally the person who enters every neighborhood, even (or especially) in games where every player has a neighborhood, calling them a masonry.

(It's literally often called "The Mastina Gambit" because of how notorious I am for the Mason Gambit.)

[mastina]

every conversation i have with s_s is productive because his way of thinking about mafia amazes me (in like, a good way -- i think it's interesting to talk to someone who looks at things so differently than i do)

I call bullshit on this because you don't think that I am that amazing when I am as different as it gets in thinking compared to people, including you.










(Just to be clear, yes, this is a joke. Datisi is town.)

[mastina]

datisi, your catboi and i are getting a divorce

Don't worry, it's just

distancing

to try and get the scum to not kill you, right???

[mastina]

fwiw catboi I have tried the "I'm changing up my playstyle" thing as scum several times recently-- I think I did do it in HDP, and RC's uPick a little.

Yes--I am aware.

You mentioning it doesn't make this time town.

[mastina]

how do we solve this game

Townbloc you three, kill everyone else while avoiding getting killed.

[mastina]

The fewer are in a 'hood, the better for the theater.

I'm trying to see the whole thing through the lens of it being scum-theatre for the rest of the clans benefit and I don't see it.

I do, and I have a perfect game to show why, when I have the time to actually find the spots I want to show.

For instance, May I point you to eir posting starting here?

At that time there were--and this part is going to blow your mind--five? players in that PT. With three of them as scum.

Alisae literally did scum theater for

two town players

.

And then after the MathBlade elimination, it gets even better.

It became three town players to two scum players.
Alisae(A2), QuantumLeap scum.
Bulbazak, Titus, Ginngie town. (Creature too, I think?) (It was 5 after Ginngie died. Creature got swapped out but was still town brought in.)

Literally two scum three town in a neighborhood.

If you think Alisae wouldn't do theater, e absolutely would.

This is important btw. Night/Day Mafia had:
-Alisae dayvig eir partner
-Alisae hard-townlock Quantum, eir scumbuddy
-Alisae do scum theater in a neighborhood with roughly equal numbers of town to scum.

I realize Alisae posted too much to really read it all (and I don't feel like tracking it all down), but Alisae with Norwee is absolutely eir scumgame.

[mastina]

It was mainly snark and confusion on my end; I did think that it might be a PT slip but figured that scum would be more careful. I hadn't considered whether or not the scum PT would be open during pre-game.

I was too busy trying to figure out if I was misreading the title of the Clan PT.

yeah, ... what?
what do you mean with the bold

You seem to underestimate my levels of self-doubt. My process was refresh PT and confirm there were no other posts, look at the title at the top, look at the banner in the PT, go back to my role PM to make sure it matched the PT and that I wasn't assigned to the wrong one, go back to the main thread and make sure it said ThunderClan, go to the PT Directory and confirm it said ThunderClan, go back into it, refresh a couple more times, and re-read the main thread again.

How the fuck is anyone scumreading Marashu again???

Why the fuck is there a Marashu wagon when this is pretty damn obviously town?

Like, Marashu is hard-spewed town here.

Shame on y'all for wagoning Marashu because this is town as fuck and y'all should know it.

The thought process there is a nuanced one that never comes from scum--ever.

Heck I probably put Marashu too low in my readslist; to give a genuine idea of just

how

town Marashu is for that, it is genuinely equal to Datisi/catboi/Dannflor's entrances here in being THAT town.

[Something_Smart]

Misty is town I guess

[mastina]

I'm sorry, I ran out of time today. I tried.

You have no idea how much energy I am burning for mafia.

I genuinely gave up on: working out, streaming, napping, catching up on things. For eight hours of playing mafia continuously.

But I still couldn't get caught up.

I'm trying! I really am.

[Something_Smart]

...................why?

iirc you were the first person to propose that 47 was towny

maybe I am improperly putting the blame on you for me just accepting that uncritically, but I did, and I know this has happened to me before where a comment like that has thrown me off of a scum for a while.

I'd quibble over this but it's not really worth it when marashu hasn't flipped yet (and is apparently clear?)

that's what the PT is for

[catboi]

okay hre ges

how dare you think i'd out that read on a partner rabble rabble

[Dannflor]

can someone town case misty for me before i post another scum case ill regret

[Datisi]

The thought process there is a nuanced one that never comes from scum--ever.

"i did x then i did y then i did z" is not a nuanced thought process sorry

[Datisi]

I call bullshit on this because you don't think that I am that amazing when I am as different as it gets in thinking compared to people, including you.

i need to get used to your style of posting and thoughts first - i did rage a lot at s_s in the beginning, don't worry

[Datisi]

i don't have any trust towards shiro and marashu, but -- i am townreading too many people and they both fit in my very narrow poe, so either they're bsing or i'm misreading someone

catboi, can i get your current opinion on the penguin?

[Something_Smart]

okay hre ges

how dare you think i'd out that read on a partner rabble rabble

I did admit it was project-y.

You don't think you'd say it even if you truly believed it was towny?

[Something_Smart]

Specifically I made the jump from "this could deceive me" to "this could have been intended to deceive me" which may not have been warranted

[Datisi]

oh wait catboi did indeed say he'd vote penguin ok i wasn't imagining that

also uhhhhh i am growing cold feet on kitty but i don't wanna die, pls help

[Datisi]

s_s what are your thoughts on the current wagons

[catboi]

okay hre ges

how dare you think i'd out that read on a partner rabble rabble

I did admit it was project-y.

You don't think you'd say it even if you truly believed it was towny?

I don't know, maybe

I think I'd play more cautiously around a teammate like marashu but impossible to say for sure

I guess it's not an unfair thought from you

[catboi]

I had the dumbest thought when I woke up that mastina and alisae could be bussing each other

I know it's no actually likely I just thought it

[catboi]

can someone town case misty for me before i post another scum case ill regret

I literally just thought her posting was trending up