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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:31 am

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In post 1442, Datisi wrote:
In post 1439, Charloux wrote:Anybody null and below is treated as scum.
were you not townreading me earlier? what changed?
I never townread you. For me bias is a state of mind that prevents someone from thinking logically.
I want to townread you, but i see no logical reason to do so. Therefore a null read.
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:33 am

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In post 1449, Datisi wrote:
In post 1445, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1414, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Following Mastina in her towngames is an adventure, an joirney if you will.
You see their thoughts evolve, their brainpower being put at full work and on display for all to see. It’s beautiful and freaking obvious whwn she is town.
As scum she is an terminator. One goal, one set of programming, no hesitancy, no doubt. Nothing may change the set values. It’s clear to me that this is what we are dealing with here based on the carchup.
Hm

This might be true actually
how accurate is norwee's description of mastina as town vs as scum?

to, like, everyone
do you not have an opinion on it?
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:36 am

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i have 2 completed games of experience with mastina, one of which was 3 years ago

so not really, no
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:50 am

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I mean - just based on your game I disagree with it.
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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:03 am

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scrdbr, Something_Smart, fireisredsir
Datisi, NorwegianboyEE, Bell
Charloux, Mistyx, Frozen Angel, Shiro?, Marashu?
KittyTacky, mastina, Alisae, Val89
T3
Dannflor, Titus, Cephrir, PenguinPower


I don't feel amazing about these reads given I haven't had time to read properly but I wanted to put the names in the player list in some kind of order. I don't feel strongly confident in any scumread right now but there are peole who have been less town than others.

I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us

T3 gets his own category because while his content so far is underwhelming I want to give him time
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:17 am

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In post 1454, catboi wrote:I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us
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What do you think? Do you agree with this?
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:18 am

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In post 1454, catboi wrote:Dannflor, Titus, Cephrir, PenguinPower
Why all of these except Ceph.
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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:24 am

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In post 1456, Alisae wrote:
In post 1454, catboi wrote:Dannflor, Titus, Cephrir, PenguinPower
Why all of these except Ceph.
I mean I put out a lot of words on Dannflor that you ignored. While I'm less confident on him being scum now I feel worried that him counter-casing me and then pulling back with an "oops may bad I think I'm wrong" when I pushed back at him was a move to get me to doubt my own read on him, because I've done moves like that as scum


Titus has done basically nothing memorable at all beyond claiming not being in a hood

I don't get the sense PenguinPower has real reads where usually I can see the spark behind his posting when he's town
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:25 am

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In post 1455, Alisae wrote:
In post 1454, catboi wrote:I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us
@Dann
What do you think? Do you agree with this?
uh that specifically didn't bother me

I thought your representation of my scum theatre meta was a little weird and inaccurate. like iirc i did a lot of scum theater with krazy/ceph in alisae v. pine and it trended towards the more aggressive/toxic side of things

I don't really have a problem with the suggestion itself though

I think from the outside the interactions between catboi and myself do probably look weird
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:26 am

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lol - like i don't come out against datisi as scum here but whatever.
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:29 am

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Btw for the record, I don’t really have the time nor energy to write a detailed wall HERE right now.
But.
I would strongly encourage people to do a site search of my posts (just the first two or three pages should tell you what you need to know), because I have just...not done anything but mafia for nearly a full week. Playing, not commenting.

What that means, well.
I don’t feel like fully explaining it here, too much effort to word the idea in terms of THIS game, but like.

Keeping it short:
I'm giving up on trying to explain my reads. Maybe even defending the town in them. I just don’t have it in me right now.

But that said.
Uniquely, I am not giving up on my reads.

Not the majority of them, at least.

Because I'm right, I know I'm right, I've been right all along, I'll be VINDICATED sooner or later.

But while most of my reads are good, I just give up on explaining them.

I'll go over which reads are which when I getore free time, maybe next down.
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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:30 am

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In post 1458, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1455, Alisae wrote:
In post 1454, catboi wrote:I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us
@Dann
What do you think? Do you agree with this?
uh that specifically didn't bother me

I thought your representation of my scum theatre meta was a little weird and inaccurate. like iirc i did a lot of scum theater with krazy/ceph in alisae v. pine and it trended towards the more aggressive/toxic side of things

I don't really have a problem with the suggestion itself though

I think from the outside the interactions between catboi and myself do probably look weird
What alignment do you think that thought is coming from and why? Idunno if I'm asking this correctly but I just want to hear what comes to your mind when you see Catboi post that
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:30 am

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In post 1460, mastina wrote:Btw for the record, I don’t really have the time nor energy to write a detailed wall HERE right now.
But.
I would strongly encourage people to do a site search of my posts (just the first two or three pages should tell you what you need to know), because I have just...not done anything but mafia for nearly a full week. Playing, not commenting.

What that means, well.
I don’t feel like fully explaining it here, too much effort to word the idea in terms of THIS game, but like.

Keeping it short:
I'm giving up on trying to explain my reads. Maybe even defending the town in them. I just don’t have it in me right now.

But that said.
Uniquely, I am not giving up on my reads.

Not the majority of them, at least.

Because I'm right, I know I'm right, I've been right all along, I'll be VINDICATED sooner or later.

But while most of my reads are good, I just give up on explaining them.

I'll go over which reads are which when I getore free time, maybe next down.
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:31 am

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that was my reaction too ngl
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:34 am

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I just wanna vote it and get it out of here
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:35 am

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More data for the data gods.
Don’t dodge the reads list exercise. Please and thank you.
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:37 am

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why should i do that when you won't bother to think about my slot past your page 5 read
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:39 am

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I dunno. Why should I play with derrick at the playground he’s mean and smelly.

Also, I would consider this a mastima meltdown.
She’s dark red in my reads list now.
Sorry if wrong/misread you.
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:48 am

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i will partake in your exercise but also add punctuation marks to feel special

Alisae town?
catboi town?
Charloux town!
Datisi scum
NorwegianboyEE town
Bell town?
KittyTacky scum
Dannflor town?
Mistyx town!
SCRRRDBEAR town
Titus* scum
fireisredsir town?
mastina scum?
Frozen Angel town!
Cephrir clown
Marashu scum
Shiro town
Something_Smart town
Val89 town
T3 Shiidaji town?
PenguinPower town?

sorry these are so boring
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:21 am

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catboi - if there is scum in dann v catboi higher chance it's catboi than dann, mostly because dann pushed the read a bit further than catboi I think but I liked a lot of the other things he's posted in game so he's probably town
Charloux - I don't see the things he posts coming from scum half the time I don't even really know what's going on with it
Datisi - town
NorwegianboyEE - town
Bell - undecided
KittyTacky - wolf
Dannflor - town
Mistyx - town
SCRRRDBEAR - wolf
Titus* - town
fireisredsir - town
mastina - wolf
Frozen Angel -
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Cephrir - who knows
Marashu - All I know is this is the guy Shiro said he had info on
Shiro - Town
Something_Smart - who knows
Val89 - town
T3 - who knows
PenguinPower - town
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am

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In post 1461, Alisae wrote:
In post 1458, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1455, Alisae wrote:
In post 1454, catboi wrote:I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us
@Dann
What do you think? Do you agree with this?
uh that specifically didn't bother me

I thought your representation of my scum theatre meta was a little weird and inaccurate. like iirc i did a lot of scum theater with krazy/ceph in alisae v. pine and it trended towards the more aggressive/toxic side of things

I don't really have a problem with the suggestion itself though

I think from the outside the interactions between catboi and myself do probably look weird
What alignment do you think that thought is coming from and why? Idunno if I'm asking this correctly but I just want to hear what comes to your mind when you see Catboi post that
I guess if I think about it I think it's slightly more likely to come from town

I think it's a little outlandish and the sort of weird jump that town tends to be more likely to make

however, I didn't and don't read much into it still because I think our interactions did probably look pretty weird and I could see scum thinking of that

sorry that wasn't a very straightforward answer
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am

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why is BEAR scum, alisae
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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 1471, Dannflor wrote:why is BEAR scum, alisae
he reads like scum pushing town
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:28 am

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In post 1323, mastina wrote:{catboi, Datisi, Dannflor, Bell, fireisredsir, Val89, Marashu, Frozen Angel*}
{Charloux, Mixtyx}
(second tier still locktown, just not same certainty--all of them I almost put in the above tier, so the separation between them is very small and nearly nonexistent.)

TOWN:
{SCRRRDBEAR, Cephrir}

{PenguinPower}

TOWN?:
{Shiro, Shiidaji}

???
{KittyTacky}
{Titus}


PROBABLY SCUM:
{Something_Smart}

SCUM:
{Alisae}
{NorwegianboyEE}.
I'm gonna do this a bit differently, instead of town to scum doing strength.

Dann/Datisi/catboi are genuinely never scum here. Ever.
When I say that, I am not exaggerating. I have played it out in my head countless times. I've looked for literally any sign whatsoever.
I've scrutinized every interaction that I've seen from them, and genuinely.
There is zero doubt. No paranoia. None. Not a drop.

I know that I usually exaggerate. I know that I usually am hyperbolic. That when I day a read is 100%, it's not REALLY 100^, I'm just leaving out the small voices of doubt behind the read.

When I say they are 100% town, I mean 100% TOWN. I genuinely don't see the scum. It’s not there. I'm looking for it. But no matter how I slice it. They're just...town.

Next, Alisae and Norwee are both scum.
I genuinely don't see them as town. I've looked. It’s not there. I can't find the townness. All I can see is the scum.
However, I admit it's possible that I just can't see the town in them. I am telling you that they are 100% scum, genuinely no paranoia.

Below that is FA. Removing the shroud of 100%, the actual number is more like 90%, and removing the same shroud, the this-is-town is closer to 85%. I still need to do the research, since it's fully possible she can legit be 100% in her town meta with me 100% certain. But I need to do the research there.

Bell, Marashu, Mistyx are the next step down. Estimate of 75%. They have very very very strong, compelling reasons to be town, it's just that unlike the holy Trinity, I DO have paranoia. I was hiding it before, but it's there. It exists, and is the remaining 25%. Where my reasons could be wrong and the scummier aspects that briefly pinged were right.
But if this were a readslist, I'd still list them as locktown.

Fire might be up with them, but I forget the reason why. I know that part of it is "fire isn’t acting like Cafe him, therefore town", but I had reasons for townlocking him beyond that. If I remember them, will get back to you on him.

Charloux I have no clue where to place tbh.

The next definitive placements are Something Smart and Cephrir. I had one as SLIGHTLY higher than the other while writing this mentally, but I can't remember which was higher right now because they're that close in comparative strength, at about 60% for SS scum, Ceph town.
(Note for percentages: 50% isn’t null, null is 0%. So 60% isn’t "just 10% higher than default", it's 60% higher than default.)

The rest, don't honestly know percentage wise.
Bear, Charlpux, Shiro, and Shiidaji I all loosely think are town, but fucked if I know by how much.


The tl;Dr takeaway tho:
Datisi, catboi, Dannflor all ALWAYS town; NEVER eliminate them.
Genuinely locktown.

Bell, Marashu, Mistyx, probs-FA are all town; NEVER consider eliminating them prior to lylo, and even then think very very hard before doing so, because they're probably town.

Norwee and Alisae ARE scum.
You might not believe it now, but they ARE going to flip scum because they're NOT town.

SS probscum, Ceph probtown, but not infallibly so.

Rest, meh.
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:29 am

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What's with me and getting big important posts on 73s.

I want thar near a page top.

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