Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[Mistyx]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

Chose and withholding that but I did pick because I felt everyone was mostly town.

I find it odd you're asking this immediately after it's been discussed in the hood with nearly the same precision.

i think it's a prudent question for sorting you :shrug:

Did your hood push you asking or discuss it prior? Given the eerie similarity of timing, we may have proof of a hood leak.

no my hood's pretty slow no one's posted in there for almost 12 hours

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

[Titus]

Drop that. My answer in the hood to that topic was yesterday afternoon (about 17 hours ago). Too broad to track...

[Titus]

Alisae
catboi
Charloux
Datisi
NorwegianboyEE
Bell
KittyTacky
Dannflor
Mistyx
SCRRRDBEAR
Titus*
fireisredsir
Cephrir
Marashu
Shiro
Something_Smart
Val89
T3 Shiidaji
PenguinPower

if we remove the people i think i have decent reasons to townread we have

catboi
Dannflor
SCRRRDBEAR
fireisredsir
Something_Smart
T3
PenguinPower

[Titus]
[Kitty]

havent reread fire but never got pinged there so that's more a case of "i need to reread that to lock it in"

otherwise uh i don't think this was necessarily a meaningful reevaluation because this is pretty much where i was earlier

bleh

Aside from me and Kitty being at the bottom, this is a decent readlist. You might want to look at the #notT3 company on the votes.

[Mistyx]

you and kitty are at the bottom as the ones i have bad reasons to townread

[Titus]

Oh so you TR me? I thought that was an SR. Carry on.

[Datisi]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

Just posted my guess solve a bit ago.

I'm building out from the VCA.

i saw the guess solve but 4 naked names with zero explanation do nothing for me

[Val89]

VAL CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER LAY DOWN ON THE DYNAMICS OF WIND CLAN

I was writing up an answer to this and in the process realised there was something that was going unexplained I've asked for clarification about; but briefly, and I think this has come out in main thread anyway; Norwee thinks there is one scum in original Windclan (ignoring Titus for the moment); and think it is T3 because he TRing everyone else. He couldn't explain his TR on Alisae to me (or at least, he said I would find it unsatisfying and it's based on volume of experience of games together; which I took to be a variation on 'soulread') but I can live with that.

He wanted me to fully explain my read on Alisae in the hope we can come to an agreement and become a big happy clan family, and we had a minor disagreement about if I should be doing so publicly or keeping it in-house, so to speak. As a compromise, I started with the posting in-clan which I wouldn't be able to legitimately quote to man thread anyhow, and specifically how closely the early posting there between Alisae and Norwee closely matched how scum-Alisae approached town-nancy in that game Mastina linked. I was told it was NAI, and I asked for examples of town-Alisae games with Hoods for comparison, and I have been given them now; so I shall take a look, but I was also given a list of excuses as to why it's not a fair comparison anyway, ones that didn't make a lot of sense, so I am expecting to find there is a difference in meta anyway.

The thing I realised that wasn't clear is why Norwee is interested in hashing out my read on Alisae, and not Alisae's read on me; which unless I missed something, was still a scumread and would preclude us being a TRing happy clan together anyway. I also want to go over the games I've been given in case I am mistaken and the similarities are NAI for Alisae, so I'll flesh this out properly once I have answers there.

[T3]

hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

like

you're getting wagoned but you don't seem to care

you aren't really pushing anything

it seems like you're just posting to post

I’m posting because I’m trying to gauge reads and not get limmed.

[Titus]

titus, do you have any reads that aren't vca?

Just posted my guess solve a bit ago.

I'm building out from the VCA.

i saw the guess solve but 4 naked names with zero explanation do nothing for me

Ok. Do you.

Fire's a bit more PoE. Townread the rest of his clan. I don't feel like readwalling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

like

you're getting wagoned but you don't seem to care

you aren't really pushing anything

it seems like you're just posting to post

I’m posting because I’m trying to gauge reads and not get limmed.

Why do you not engage with the hood?
Also what is your read on the players in our hood.

[NorwegianboyEE]

With explanation behind it.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

[SCRRRDBEAR]

BASED ON THE REACTIONS TO MY SOLVE, I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THE KT-TITUS-CATBOI PORTION, LESS CONFIDENT ABOUT NORWEE, AND I HAVEN'T READ MARASHU'S POST YET. I CAN GO IN DEPTH LATER ABOUT WHY TITUS AND CATBOI REACTIONS ARE AI.

I THINK BOTH MISTYX AND SS REACTIONS ARE A LITTLE AI FOR TOWN.

@bear do you have any further evidence for your titus theory or is it just a guess because i don’t think it’s anywhere near an open and shut flavor solve

I BELIEVE TITUS ROLE IS MOST LIKELY TO BE SCOURGE

Did Scourge ever join a clan? Wouldn't it make more sense for her to be Rusty, or another loner who joined a clan?

Actually, I guess Titus should claim whether or not her flavor is Rusty. If it's not, she doesn't have to claim what it is.

I HAVE NO PRIVATE MECHANICAL INFORMATION WHICH SUPPORTS MY THEORY.

I GUESS SCOURGE WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND IT WAS THE CLAN THAT JOINED HIM.

I AGREE THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION TITUS HAS PROVIDED TO US ABOUT HER ROLE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF SHE WERE AN INNOCUOUS LONER, HOWEVER, I AM VERY SKEPTICAL THAT IS WHAT HER ROLE ACTUALLY EN"TAILS."

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN DESIGNING A "DARK ONE" PR TO TAKE DOWN STARCLAN, SCOURGE IS ALMOST TOO TEMPTING TO PASS UP, BOTH FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND FROM A THEMATIC PERSPECTIVE. THE MECHANIC OF INFILTRATING A CLAN UNDER THE PRETENSE OF ADOPTION LINES UP WITH THE INFO REVEALED BY FIREISRED AS WELL AS YDRASSE'S DESIGN GOAL FOLLOWING TFT TO GIVE THE SCUM TEAM MORE AGENCY AND FLEXIBILITY.

[Bell]

Where did dann go.

[Something_Smart]

THE MECHANIC OF INFILTRATING A CLAN UNDER THE PRETENSE OF ADOPTION

I didn't read that part of the series. Is this what happened? I thought Tigerstar just brought him in as a mercenary?

[catboi]

hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

like

you're getting wagoned but you don't seem to care

you aren't really pushing anything

it seems like you're just posting to post

I’m posting because I’m trying to gauge reads and not get limmed.

are you ever going to actually explain your scumreads?

[catboi]

lollin at the moment I say I'm having doubts on kittytacky bear starts calling me scum

a big thing for me on this slot is that he started pushing marashu after marashu made a post about how they weren't confident on bear being town

and also did something kinda similar to me

and idk how i feel about it it feels powerwolfy but also bold to do as scum

I don't actually think it's scum-indicative ftr, just petty because I'm not falling in line with his wagon

[SCRRRDBEAR]

THE MECHANIC OF INFILTRATING A CLAN UNDER THE PRETENSE OF ADOPTION

I didn't read that part of the series. Is this what happened? I thought Tigerstar just brought him in as a mercenary?

Spoiler:

THAT WAS TIGERSTAR'S MOTIVE YES, BUT THE TWIST IS THAT TIGERSTAR IS A JOKE TO SCOURGE AND HAD NO CONTROL OVER HIM. RIGHT BEFORE THE FINAL BATTLE, SCOURGE TAKES ALL 9 LIVES FROM TIGERSTAR WITH A SINGLE SLASH WHICH STARCLAN TRIED BUT COULDN'T HEAL. SCOURGE REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL END OF STARCLAN IN THE FIRST SERIES, NOT TIGERSTAR. AN ANALOGY MIGHT BE THAT IF TIGERSTAR IS HITLER, SCOURGE IS THE ANTICHRIST.

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

[Something_Smart]

Which of those things do you think I would not be doing as town?

[Mistyx]

i can think of at least 3 ostensibly town characters that titus could be

and even if she's scum i don't think her flavor is scourge

[Something_Smart]

I didn't townread Kitty in 1444. That just meant he was north of null.

[Mistyx]

Which of those things do you think I would not be doing as town?

the last part

i feel like town players generally tend to care about their reads and don't push people who they townread?

obviously the counter to this is that you stopped townreading kitty at some point but that doesn't necessarily mean anything without an explanation

[Mistyx]

I didn't townread Kitty in 1444. That just meant he was north of null.

for my intents and purposes that's the same thing