Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Ngl KittyTacky is curious on a VCA level but I don't think they're scum.

Flavor is not Rusty or Scourge.

Using curious immediately after it was (dubiously) said to be a scummy word is +town imo, scum would be more careful with wording.

COME ON GUYS, YOUR SCUM THEATER HAS NO SPARK.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I wouldn’t say i was the only one sorting Titus like all other players in our hood had given it no thought. But i tried to ask questions and exactly the same theories as was said earlier about them potentially being a scum that could select hood to spy in and etc.

WHY DON'T YOU CONSOLIDATE ONTO KT TO MAKE SCUM FAKE MORE REACTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT T3 IS FLIPPING BUT I WOULD BE STUNNED IF KT FLIPS STARCLAN.

You will be stunned then if the wagon on me goes through.

I CAN SEE WHY YOU GET ELIMINATED EARLY AS SCUM A LOT, KITTY. I RESPECT THE EFFORT YOU CONTINUE TO PUT INTO IT ANYWAY WHICH I PRESUME IS BORNE OF A DESIRE TO NOT LET DOWN YOUR TEAM. IRONICALLY, I SUSPECT IT'S THIS SAME NOBILITY THAT MOTIVATES YOU TO PERSEVERE WHICH ALSO INTERFERES WITH YOUR ABILITY TO LIE EFFECTIVELY.

[KittyTacky]

[Dannflor]

Are you kidding me

Power outage just killed my wall

[Dannflor]

saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

okay need to take a break

I'll try to rewrite it this afternoon

[Bell]

*tilts head*
Well, this game isn’t boring at least.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period. People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?' But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

Why did you not respond to what i said.

I missed it. I often miss things, especially when I'm not quoted.

This?

I think Alisae is town.
Alisae thinks i am town.
Val thinks it’s really unlikely for me/Alisae team.

So what? We’re all scum saving each others ass?

Yes.

Just do the math and back off.

No.

i think kitty taking offense to the "his reads are worse than random" thing is >rand town

TOTAL BULLSHIT AND MOCK OUTRAGE RESPECTIVELY; KITTY FEELS PREPARED TO MISLEAD STARCLAN.

I wouldn’t say i was the only one sorting Titus like all other players in our hood had given it no thought. But i tried to ask questions and exactly the same theories as was said earlier about them potentially being a scum that could select hood to spy in and etc.

WHY DON'T YOU CONSOLIDATE ONTO KT TO MAKE SCUM FAKE MORE REACTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT T3 IS FLIPPING BUT I WOULD BE STUNNED IF KT FLIPS STARCLAN.

You will be stunned then if the wagon on me goes through.

THE BULL SHIT SELF META AND MOCK OUTRAGE RECEDE INTO MERE OBJECTION DUE TO PROLONGED STRESS OF LYING.

I CAN SEE WHY YOU GET ELIMINATED EARLY AS SCUM A LOT, KITTY. I RESPECT THE EFFORT YOU CONTINUE TO PUT INTO IT ANYWAY WHICH I PRESUME IS BORNE OF A DESIRE TO NOT LET DOWN YOUR TEAM. IRONICALLY, I SUSPECT IT'S THIS SAME NOBILITY THAT MOTIVATES YOU TO PERSEVERE WHICH ALSO INTERFERES WITH YOUR ABILITY TO LIE EFFECTIVELY.

THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BURNOUT STAGE WHERE NOT EVEN WORDS CAN BE PRODUCED AS OBJECTIONS.

[Val89]

I GUESS NORWEE COULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO CHALLENGE ALISAE BECAUSE OF THEIR ANGST, SO THEY ARE FOCUSING ON YOU? I'M NOT SURE.

I missed where Alisae said during the D1 T3 flashwagon attempt that they thought T3 was scum-in-the-hood because they also TR everyone else. My bad.

To answer your question about the current dynamics in a bit more detail: Norwee thinks there is one scum in Windclan (as does Alisae), and it is most likely T3 because they are TRing everyone else. I am inclined to agree there is at most one, because I can't make pairings in there make sense - I remain confident it isn't Norwee/Alisae; Shiro+{T3, Alisae} is possible, but unlikely - I have Shiro in my 'treat as town' bucket, and T3/Alisae seems unlikely too. This is ignoring Titus given she chose to join Windclan.

I'm TRing Norwee, although when thinking about it, I am only really doing so because I don't think the two are S/S, and I think it's Alisae, plus (apart from having exactly 5 scum reads on his association exercise matching scumreads he had already disclosed, and having everyone else town - which I thought would be a co-incidence if you were truly doing it off the cuff, but certainly possible) I hadn't seen anything to really ping me scummy there, and there is a decent amount of activity in clan, if not main thread, for me to think I would have seen something - it's not like he's lurking.

T3 isn't posting. Norwee thinks a T3 flip will be informative, but when questioned it basically boiled down to if they flipped town, he would have to re-consider who was scum in Windclan - which is fine, I guess, looking through a Norwee lens, but it doesn't help me because I already think if we do have scum, it's Alisae, not T3. A scum!T3 would be +town for Alisae in my eyes, though, so if that flips happens, and it's a mislim and that forces Norwee to re-eval, fine; and if it's not and I need rethink Alisae, then that's not the end of the world either given T3 isn't really doing much to help anyone at this point.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin's Unofficial votecount because it's been 19 hours. Again. Again.

[5]

T3

: NorwegianboyEE, Titus, fireisredsir, Charloux, KittyTacky
[5]

KittyTacky

: Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart, SCRRRDBEAR, Bell
[1]

Titus

: PenguinPower
[1]

Something_Smart

: Mistyx
[1]

fireisredsir

: Dannflor

[6]

Not voting

: catboi, Marashu, Shiro, Val89, T3, Alisae

—

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-11-10 00:51:10).

[Bell]

Bear, quick question.
If you’re wrong will you accept being eliminated next?

[PenguinPower]

[6] Not voting: catboi, Marashu, Shiro, Val89, T3, Alisae

[Val89]

I need to make time to look at KT again after the curveball Alisae threw at me - I hadn't said anything prior, but Alisae seemingly wanting KT dead had given me pause about joining that wagon; and I've been engaged with this discussion about Alisae in Windclan since, but seeing her 180 that read both here and in clan and then reading the interactions on pg 99/100 following that (which best I can make out was an argument that KT is town because Alisae thinks he is bad at the game???)...

You can consider me spiritually on the KT wagon for now, but I don't want the day to end before I've had chance to spell out exactly what my issue with Alisae is in case I have an unfortunate accident while out hunting this evening, and I wont have that time just yet, nor will I be around to unvote if that wagon picks up speed while I'm entertaining IRL.

pedit: Fucking hell, not you as well. Fine.

VOTE: Alisae

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Bear, quick question.
If you’re wrong will you accept being eliminated next?

ON KT YEAH, SURE. I WOULD LITERALLY BET $2000 1:1 ON KT FLIPPING DARK. ON CATBOI NOT QUITE BUT I'M GETTING THERE. TITUS NO BUT I'D BE TEMPTED, AND ON DATISI/NORWEE NO NOT ANYMORE. WHY DO YOU ASK?

[catboi]

fuck it

VOTE: alisae

[Datisi]

oh, is that my cue?

VOTE: alisae

[Charloux]

Hmm i want to push Alisae but i also don't want to leave the T3 wagon empty handed. Decisions decisions...
VOTE: Alisae

[Titus]

Not voting Alisae.

[catboi]

Hmm i want to push Alisae but i also don't want to leave the T3 wagon empty handed. Decisions decisions...
VOTE: Alisae

why do you want to push T3 when alisae is one of the people driving the T3 wagon

why do you even want to push alisae in the first place?

[Charloux]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

[Bell]

Let’s kill Kitty.

[catboi]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

What is alisae's flip supposed to be "informative" about, exactly?

and why would you not want to flip the player who you would "bet your money" on flipping scum? Isn't a player flipping scum the most informative thing possible?

[Cephrir]

[6] Not voting: catboi, Marashu, Shiro, Val89, T3, Alisae

Why aren't you consolidating? That's your whole thing no? Is Titus going to magically cop votes without you doing anything to accomplish it?

[Bell]

Also, I can’t recall if it’s in the rules. But no betting in game amongst players.

[Titus]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

Kitty and T3 are more informative for VCA....

[catboi]

Also, I can’t recall if it’s in the rules. But no betting in game amongst players.

I mean that's obviously being used as a figure of speech