Newbie 2105 | Game Over

[Spartan117]

Gihardi, Spartan and tapioaco maybe town. #hottakes

Bella can you join my wagon please? I wanna be in the sus'd pool so I make it to day 2.

[BlueSnakelet]

well, we're in RVS and I feel that while bellaphant's vote on me seemed very sus as when there are multiple mafia sometimes one might vote the person who is throwing suspicion at them to shut them up. So when I voted greeting and the post after bellaphant voted for me seemed like that. Also I really dont get how saying hi to the mod and voting someone would be "really awkward" when that's what everyone else is doin. Seems like justifying something after the fact. Also Greeting your RVS vote on Bellaphant doesn't really mean anything as you could just change it later. I mean that seems like the kind of "evidence" that you throw around that doesn't make any sense when held up to any amount of scrutiny

@Blue
This just feels very anxious like worried about what people think of then so early on, so much so that they need to try and defend themselves so early on, typically scum are more defensive when accused than town but it can also be part of the way the person takes accusations so not always alignment indicative.

I'm not really reading Player6 right now. I agree that his #16 accusation was unreasonable. It's Bella's #19 response that made me worried.

[Tapiocaphobe]

man

VOTE: Greeting

[Tapiocaphobe]

well, we're in RVS and I feel that while bellaphant's vote on me seemed very sus as when there are multiple mafia sometimes one might vote the person who is throwing suspicion at them to shut them up. So when I voted greeting and the post after bellaphant voted for me seemed like that. Also I really dont get how saying hi to the mod and voting someone would be "really awkward" when that's what everyone else is doin. Seems like justifying something after the fact. Also Greeting your RVS vote on Bellaphant doesn't really mean anything as you could just change it later. I mean that seems like the kind of "evidence" that you throw around that doesn't make any sense when held up to any amount of scrutiny

@Blue
This just feels very anxious like worried about what people think of then so early on, so much so that they need to try and defend themselves so early on, typically scum are more defensive when accused than town but it can also be part of the way the person takes accusations so not always alignment indicative.

I'm not really reading Player6 right now. I agree that his #16 accusation was unreasonable. It's Bella's #19 response that made me worried.

p6 looks worse than bella to me and I'm just not seeing a bella/p6 duo

[Bellaphant]

.a) I'm not new
B) that's not why I voted you. Your post was really awkward and felt like new scum posting for something to say. It doesn't pass the so what test.

This is literally it. I don't think what I said was controversial. It's enough for me to move my vote out of RVs and I've not had a reason to tr the slot since.

[Bellaphant]

In fact 22 is more of the same. It's a lot of words,but it ignores the fact I've expanded past 'awkward' and creates an extra narrative. I.e. it's more awkward.

[Bellaphant]

Has anyone played together before? I was in a recent newbie with spartan as scum and I find greeting hard to read, traditionally. I also skim read most newbie games because I'm sad like that.

[BlueSnakelet]

Okay, let's try from a new angle...

First, Tapioca (a new player on her second game) posted this:

hello everyone ^^

VOTE: Player6

Later, Ghardi (a new player on their first game) posted this:

Hi everyone. Looking forward to the game

VOTE: Tapiocaphobe

Later, P6 (a new player on his second game) posted this:

Hello FurtiveGlance, I just played with you last game lol
VOTE: Greeting

Finally, Bella votes for P6, in a post that contained only the vote:

VOTE: player six

By itself, this would be fine. The game was still in it's RVS after all. But when questioned, Bella doesn't say that their vote was random. They said that P6's post was "really awkward and felt like new scum posting for something to say".

But if so, then why was P6's post "really awkward and felt like new scum posting for something to say"? And why wasn't Tapioca's and Ghardi's posts "really awkward and felt like new scum posting for something to say"?

Is it because P6 addressed the mod?
Is it because P6 referred back to a past game of his?
Is it because P6 didn't end his post with a smiling face?
Is it because P6 ended his post with a lol?
If none of the above, THEN WHY?

[Ghardi]

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

[Ghardi]

Has anyone played together before? I was in a recent newbie with spartan as scum and I find greeting hard to read, traditionally. I also skim read most newbie games because I'm sad like that.

This is my first game so I'm still learning. The only other time I've played mafia / werewolf games is through Town of Salem where everyone has power roles.

[Greeting]

well, we're in RVS and I feel that while bellaphant's vote on me seemed very sus as when there are multiple mafia sometimes one might vote the person who is throwing suspicion at them to shut them up. So when I voted greeting and the post after bellaphant voted for me seemed like that. Also I really dont get how saying hi to the mod and voting someone would be "really awkward" when that's what everyone else is doin. Seems like justifying something after the fact. Also Greeting your RVS vote on Bellaphant doesn't really mean anything as you could just change it later. I mean that seems like the kind of "evidence" that you throw around that doesn't make any sense when held up to any amount of scrutiny

So me voting

Bellaphant

means nothing because it's RVS, but her voting you in the very same phase has meaning?

[Greeting]

I'll just go ahead and VOTE: Bella for now.

Page 2 looks like a good time for a juicy RVS Hammer you have been judged Bella to be too sussy for our company. Begone!

VOTE: Bellaphant

hey spartan are you scum

Sure, if it helps drive conversation.

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

The worst entrance into the game so far, absolutely anti-town and generally very awkward.

VOTE: Spartan117

[Spartan117]

I'll just go ahead and VOTE: Bella for now.

Page 2 looks like a good time for a juicy RVS Hammer you have been judged Bella to be too sussy for our company. Begone!

VOTE: Bellaphant

hey spartan are you scum

Sure, if it helps drive conversation.

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

The worst entrance into the game so far, absolutely anti-town and generally very awkward.

VOTE: Spartan117

How many games have you played in before Greeting?
I see you are an SE so I assume you have been in a few?
Very interesting for you to highlight a few posts of mine referring to my entrance without actually including my actual entrance post, this isn't your first rodeo and it's not mine either.

Please tell me from the perspective of an experienced player such as yourself, what about trying to create conversation and reaction testing is "absolutely anti town"?

[Spartan117]

I clearly don't care if I'm being sussed and am more than happy to use myself as a tool to drive conversation and get opinions, why is this scummy? Do you think scum want to try and be heavily sussed early on? Would it not make more sense to try and hide under the radar?

[furtiveglance]

NotKnown15 replaces Uncrowned

Prodding darkj

[Player6]

well, we're in RVS and I feel that while bellaphant's vote on me seemed very sus as when there are multiple mafia sometimes one might vote the person who is throwing suspicion at them to shut them up. So when I voted greeting and the post after bellaphant voted for me seemed like that. Also I really dont get how saying hi to the mod and voting someone would be "really awkward" when that's what everyone else is doin. Seems like justifying something after the fact. Also Greeting your RVS vote on Bellaphant doesn't really mean anything as you could just change it later. I mean that seems like the kind of "evidence" that you throw around that doesn't make any sense when held up to any amount of scrutiny

So me voting

Bellaphant

means nothing because it's RVS, but her voting you in the very same phase has meaning?

You bringing it up as evidence seemed like a retroactive "piece of evidence" that seemed planted by you. Meanwhile, when I RVS voted someone and then they almost snap voted me and then gave a reason later. The different is a reason. She voted me then gave a "reason" why rather then saying "it was RVS" that's the difference you gave 0 reason to voting Bellaphant which seems more like a bad arguement that you guys aren't mafia duo

[Not Known 15]

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

One mafia found, one to go!

UNVOTE: Tapiocaphobe
VOTE: Spartan117

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This looks rather opportunistic/hedgey.
VOTE: Ghardi

[Not Known 15]

If you want to know why, newbies, a strong vote followed by a vote backed up by hedgey text("not sure") ("leaning more") and no progression inbetween is very scum-indicative.

[Bellaphant]

There's obviously progression there though, from then reading the posts in-between?

[Tapiocaphobe]

i'm thinking through this again

[Tapiocaphobe]

bella who do you scumread

[Tapiocaphobe]

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

One mafia found, one to go!

UNVOTE: Tapiocaphobe
VOTE: Spartan117

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This looks rather opportunistic/hedgey.
VOTE: Ghardi

choo choo VOTE: Ghardi

i think i'm also okay with a p6 vote

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

[Bellaphant]

Player six and not known, currently

[Tapiocaphobe]

i could see it

[Ghardi]

Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

One mafia found, one to go!

UNVOTE: Tapiocaphobe
VOTE: Spartan117

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This looks rather opportunistic/hedgey.
VOTE: Ghardi

Hi Not Known.

I used the words "not sure" and "leaning more" because there is always an element of uncertainty when trying to work out who is townie and who is mafia.

I'm not ruling out Bella's push against Player6 as the push was a tell to me. However, Player6's accusation is a stronger tell, which is why the words "leaning more" and "not sure" were used. "Leaning more" as Player6's accusation was a stronger tell. I used "not sure" because I don't want to discard Bella's push from my analysis.