In post 1060, Andresvmb wrote:I’m asking them to react to my post and tell me why I should have Enchant Town. Why I shouldn’t trust VPB when I’ve just switched my vote to them. Where do they think their blind spots might be.
Enchant is transparently and self-evidently in his town meta. The vibes he is producing but with just the right mixture of subtle reads are promising for him being town.
My blind spots are anyone south of locktown on my readslist. (Okay that said: probably should move Lukewarm up to locktown.) Which is literally sixteen of the players in the game, although that said, I maintain my confidence in my townreads being town, with the exception of Firebringer (because I can't read him worth shit).
So like (including Firebringer), that's 13 players I have as blindspots.
That said I AM quite confident on Dann being scum, so like.
Closer to 12.5.
(Yes that's a lot. There's a reason I said I don't expect to have good read accuracy this game, this playerlist doesn't have many names that I am intimately familiar with.)
As for why VP Baltar: lots of things.
Calling me a good player (he absolutely should not think I am one),
In post 1003, mastina wrote: In post 361, VP Baltar wrote:I'd probably townbin andante and andres at this point. Dann and datisi are maybe in town lean territory for me. Dwlee I could see as town who hasn't had a real chance to engage yet.
You and mastina are maybe giving me slightly bad vibes, but that could be my internal objections to anyone trying too hard to shape the day.
Off the top of my head, I think I would null pile everyone else.
Okay I can see why LLD thinks Baltar is scum. This post is v easy for scum to make and doesn't look like an actual real town spread, so much as an attempt to make an actual real town spread which is too clean/neat lacking in chaos to actually be true.
Then,
In post 1032, mastina wrote: In post 574, VP Baltar wrote:I think Rhaenyra is probably scum trying to burn through their posts so they don't have to participate later today. Prove me wrong by not posting.
You might be scum for this viewpoint tho.
The slimey push on Rhaenyra,
This looks like scum theater,
LLD's read on him with me trusting that LLD is going to have a good read there regardless of her alignment but especially as town,
And in general: nothing VP Baltar has done has looked town to me, outside of a weak random read in the rvs. Since then (and even the rvs content in hindsight given the context of the rest of the game), it has all looked like various shades of scum.
In post 1059, Thestatusquo wrote:If anything the thing that I like the least about mastina's catchup is the projected confidence on the dann and the GL reads. Those are two very good and solid players who to my eyes don't have a lot of obvious tells in my experience playing with them, so the confidence in the reads is I think pretty unfounded.
I have seen Dannflor as town many many times in recent history, and this ain't Dann as town. It simply isn't. Not only his his approach the polar opposite of the signature town-Dannflor I expect, but also he has displayed the very scumtells he was trying to project onto Andante, being guilty of the crime he is pretending someone else committed. That is reason for ANYONE to be scum. He was right about the things he said were scumtells being scumtells, but HE was the one displaying them.
His pushes have all been suspect, and his reads don't flow.
GuiltyLion has done nothing town and it is specifically
because
he is a good solid player that that makes him scum (same for Dann tbh), and he is showing stances that feel like scum trying to influence a game where they have a disadvantageous gamestate rather than town genuinely sorting. His stances feel like they have an agenda, rather than being ones that are made by a town player sorting.
Both are guilty of the "I am determining my read on this player and making the reasons up" mentality, with their reads' justifications being a stretch that doesn't fit.
