House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

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Town

[Andresvmb]

My view of the game has dramatically evolved - I will not be voting for GuiltyLion. I just won’t. If you guys execute there and they flip Town, I will take steps to limit the damage done immediately.

I might need to read more posts andres but how did this evolution occur. Well actually idc about the evolution, why is GL town? Is it just the wagon on them is scummy?

Towards the early part of the game, I thought GL was Town. You can obviously tell this was the case because I voted for GL to be King and advocated for them. I felt we hadn’t communicated much directly, but I liked their takes and thinking, and was happy slotting them as Town. VPB, who I was also TR’ing and who was advocating for me to be King (which I should naturally TR if I’m being honest because I know I’m Town and I think Scum!VPB is less likely to make that push seriously). But arguments made by Lukewarm didn’t seem silly to me (remember that I was conflicted about Luke’s alignment), but placed them as a slight Town Read. And obviously folks in the Council arguing so strongly against GL also influences my views. I mean I thought they were Towny, but my ultimate choice for King didn’t agree, and that had an effect.

I’m returning to trusting my initial read, and I think DW’s contributions today have been horrible and seem anti-spew. I’m also getting bashed in ways I would deem ridiculous by Drapion and Junko, and so my views on the alignments of those in the Council (and by default, my reliance on their views) has softened. If Junko is going to diminish my standing and argue I’m being idiotic by siding with Drapion of all people, then why the hell do I need to care how they view the game? Drapion has been doing extremely little, with very limited contributions, but all of a sudden their push of my slot is getting support from Junko? That’s straight up nonsense, so I feel like I should be more inclined to trust my own gut.

I swallowed a sentence - VPB was also saying that GL was Town.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Weird question, did Andres get his role or was it like, gifted by Shea or something?

[VP Baltar]

we should just kill the monarchy and start over.

[Firebringer]

#YouVotedForThis

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am voting GL because it was Luke's read.

“Luke died cause wolf on council” lmfao ok GL, and GL said this if you really want to get fucked wolves all I gotta do is ISO Luke.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Shea needs to pick a new person for laws. Then i need to submit my actions, so yes pls no rush.

Oh pick me Shea!

@Shea
This is a wolf, please choose Titus as your new person.


VP wanted to kill you Shea.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Andres i want unity on the council right now. Can we align on someone outside for now?

I’m voting DW. I’m not voting someone on the Council.

I’ll be honest, I think unity is overrated. And also, if Junko is going to attack me while defending a slot that has the most transparently bad case on me ever shared, then I don’t know that I care about aligning with them.

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Andres I hope your happy that is smart town are getting fed up with your wolf BS

[ProfessorDrapion]

Weird question, did Andres get his role or was it like, gifted by Shea or something?

Shea chose them like they chose you.

[furtiveglance]

Why is Firebringer not being speedvoted? Their actions are inexcusable.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why is Firebringer not being speedvoted? Their actions are inexcusable.

@Firebringer
This is getting annoying and some town are getting confused.

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.
Furtive thinks your wolf cause you said you gave it to Luke so town can lose.
Which is obviously not serious but Furtive doesn’t seem to get that.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I solve the team but you guys still want to ML Dwlee, alright.

And town are getting tunnelled to Firebringer’s joke post.

Fantastic world we live in, ima miss you Junko.

[Andresvmb]

Andres i want unity on the council right now. Can we align on someone outside for now?

I’m voting DW. I’m not voting someone on the Council.

I’ll be honest, I think unity is overrated. And also, if Junko is going to attack me while defending a slot that has the most transparently bad case on me ever shared, then I don’t know that I care about aligning with them.

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Andres I hope your happy that is smart town are getting fed up with your wolf BS

@Pooky, I don’t usually do this, but I think this attack is outside the bounds of the game.

[Andresvmb]

I’m not a softie by any means, but if you’re suggesting I’m solely responsible for Junko replacing out because I disagreed with them, then fuck you. Either take it back or don’t interact with me the rest of the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Please be respectful to your fellow players this is just a game.

[furtiveglance]

Why is Firebringer not being speedvoted? Their actions are inexcusable.

@Firebringer
This is getting annoying and some town are getting confused.

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.
Furtive thinks your wolf cause you said you gave it to Luke so town can lose.
Which is obviously not serious but Furtive doesn’t seem to get that.

Scum can be unserious as well. I can't think of any legitimate reason to fund the Doctor/Tracker and not the Cop. Refusal to give any information or explanation is scumclaiming. I broadly agree with your reads, stop being so annoyingly stubborn and condescending.

[Firebringer]

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.

Here is what I will keep public since I already said it would be:
Junko got money.
Then I spent money in investments.
That is all.

I will not reveal anything about how much anything costs, including how much i started with or what i have now, etc. I said this from the beginning here and the in council PT.

That info is not useful for town and none of you could audit it anyway. None of you can prove if i even spent money on investments or i didn't give money to Luke. Theres no reason for me to claim the money available or how much i had. Any town pissed off and pressuring me for some accountability on this literally don't see how this info could be useful for scum.

Here is the basic point that scum probably should have pierced together but town who can't catch a clue should understand: Not everyone could have performed an action night one.

Enchant points about me making bad decisions is based on him knowing only seeing the end result. If Junko had performed a save, my decision would be held in better regard for it. But she didn't, not her fault and I didn't expect it to succeed.

[Firebringer]

considering i am putting more trust in the council i will be telling them prior to day end who will be getting money. I don't think theres scum in there. I don't think it needs repeating to council members, but if you have any disagreements with my actions we should discuss in there not in here or any other PT. Scum do not need road maps.

[furtiveglance]

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.

Here is what I will keep public since I already said it would be:
Junko got money.
Then I spent money in investments.
That is all.

I will not reveal anything about how much anything costs, including how much i started with or what i have now, etc. I said this from the beginning here and the in council PT.

That info is not useful for town and none of you could audit it anyway. None of you can prove if i even spent money on investments or i didn't give money to Luke. Theres no reason for me to claim the money available or how much i had. Any town pissed off and pressuring me for some accountability on this literally don't see how this info could be useful for scum.

Here is the basic point that scum probably should have pierced together but town who can't catch a clue should understand: Not everyone could have performed an action night one.

Enchant points about me making bad decisions is based on him knowing only seeing the end result. If Junko had performed a save, my decision would be held in better regard for it. But she didn't, not her fault and I didn't expect it to succeed.

It's pretty obvious that you could have funded Cop and Doc together for a strong combo.

[Firebringer]

Your logic on why im scum is too simplistic for me to figure out if its genuine or not.

[furtiveglance]

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.

Here is what I will keep public since I already said it would be:
Junko got money.
Then I spent money in investments.
That is all.

I will not reveal anything about how much anything costs, including how much i started with or what i have now, etc. I said this from the beginning here and the in council PT.

That info is not useful for town and none of you could audit it anyway. None of you can prove if i even spent money on investments or i didn't give money to Luke. Theres no reason for me to claim the money available or how much i had. Any town pissed off and pressuring me for some accountability on this literally don't see how this info could be useful for scum.

Here is the basic point that scum probably should have pierced together but town who can't catch a clue should understand: Not everyone could have performed an action night one.

Enchant points about me making bad decisions is based on him knowing only seeing the end result. If Junko had performed a save, my decision would be held in better regard for it. But she didn't, not her fault and I didn't expect it to succeed.

It's pretty obvious that you could have funded Cop and Doc together for a strong combo.

Your logic on why im scum is too simplistic for me to figure out if its genuine or not.

I haven't been privy to any of the council discussions. I've seen no explanation of your decision to fund Lukewarm, Junko and idk who else instead of Datisi. I suggested the Cop + Doc combo being good as it creates a de facto Follow the Cop loop if you do it every night, assuming Town in the roles. I got no response, from anyone, including you. The only reason not to fund the Cop is if you think they're scum, but you haven't said that or even implied it (you literally just said you thought the entire council was good), so your claimed gameview doesn't match your decision. You are mafia.

[Dwlee99]

Sorry I bounced? Had a second thanksgiving dinner tonight and won't be around until tomorrow because of that (could have spent more time Wednesday writing something instead of playing Pokemon but it was night). If you want me to play you're not getting it tonight

[Dwlee99]

Tryptophan ftw

[Firebringer]

Yeah thats what i mean by simplistic.
You could have those thoughts as either alignment. Its very simple philisophical question of gameplay. I can't read a motivation in you professing these takes. Because it lacks any substance of figuring out my motivations for doing any of these actions. You are proclaiming certain actions default to scum behavior, which gives me nothing to see if ur thinking about me as a player. Rather than some grand idea of how town/scum should and would act.

This is why i call it simplistic, and why i can't figure out ur alignment from it.
Kind of worthless.

[furtiveglance]

Yeah thats what i mean by simplistic.
You could have those thoughts as either alignment. Its very simple philisophical question of gameplay. I can't read a motivation in you professing these takes. Because it lacks any substance of figuring out my motivations for doing any of these actions. You are proclaiming certain actions default to scum behavior, which gives me nothing to see if ur thinking about me as a player. Rather than some grand idea of how town/scum should and would act.

This is why i call it simplistic, and why i can't figure out ur alignment from it.
Kind of worthless.

You chose not to make the optimal play. That remains true no matter what the specific information you got is, because I know that you could at minimum fund Cop + Doc, and that you claimed to townread Datisi. This was not a large brain 5head play. It was very obvious. You made a different choice, which would be terrible to do as town, especially making zero sense with your claimed reads. You then declined to explain to the main thread at all, instead claiming to fund the dead guy's role (possibly as a joke, it doesn't matter). I'm just repeating myself at this point, but my vote is locked onto you for the rest of the game until one of us dies.