House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

have fun with that

[furtiveglance]

have fun with that

I'm not having fun. Everyone is ignoring me, I can't believe Enchant is the only other player making sense right now. I don't really have a preference on GL/Dwlee rn, they're both scumreads of mine. But Fire is just outted mafia.

[Firebringer]

Enchant doesn't even scumread me. He is throwing a hissy fit.

[Firebringer]

if you want people to listen to you, make compelling cases or work together with people to solve the game.

[furtiveglance]

if you want people to listen to you, make compelling cases or work together with people to solve the game.

You are excluding the majority of the players by only speaking to the council. Another example of your play as a contradiction, which is a symptom of being mafia.

[Firebringer]

just general advice on u as a player, cause u seem to be a solo "here is my opinion. it is right, everyone should follow me" kind of player. That usually doesn't get people to just sheep u. The only times that will get others to sheep u is when they don't have strong opinions of their own and being lazy (the sheep) and when you have an uber reputation of being a good player. This is like only 1-2 people that were on this site that could unilaterly just claim X is scum and get a whole wagon to just push for them to be lim.

You don't have either of these situations, if you want people to listen. Go to work with them and help them figure stuff out as well as show your willingness to listen as well yourself.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m not a softie by any means, but if you’re suggesting I’m solely responsible for Junko replacing out because I disagreed with them, then fuck you. Either take it back or don’t interact with me the rest of the game.

That’s not it.
I’m saying it’s the wolves (including you assuming my solve is true) that have made others upset.

Take Junko, they were upset that the other town wasn’t listening cause of your wolf motivation.
Thus why I quoted what I did.

I also really liked Junko and Maria that was executed wrongly due to wolves manipulating the king.

[furtiveglance]

just general advice on u as a player, cause u seem to be a solo "here is my opinion. it is right, everyone should follow me" kind of player. That usually doesn't get people to just sheep u. The only times that will get others to sheep u is when they don't have strong opinions of their own and being lazy (the sheep) and when you have an uber reputation of being a good player. This is like only 1-2 people that were on this site that could unilaterly just claim X is scum and get a whole wagon to just push for them to be lim.

You don't have either of these situations, if you want people to listen. Go to work with them and help them figure stuff out as well as show your willingness to listen as well yourself.

That's not what I'm doing. I'm just observing the mechanics of last night and concluding that you're mafia as a result. I've already outlined why it makes you mafia, people should be able to see it. It's not like I just went 'Fire sus' and nothing else.

[Firebringer]

if you want people to listen to you, make compelling cases or work together with people to solve the game.

You are excluding the majority of the players by only speaking to the council. Another example of your play as a contradiction, which is a symptom of being mafia.

What? I am not just speaking to the council.
I am working more with them because i trust them. That isn't a contradiction, if i really wanted to lim someone right this second i would be looking to work with more people to get it done. I am working right now to get council to trust each other so we can solve and get this game in towns favor.

This isn't a contradiction. I am literally following my own example by trying to work with people. I have no case to bring forward to push someone for lim right now. So i am working with others to pull together who i townread to get a cohesion going.

[Firebringer]

That's not what I'm doing. I'm just observing the mechanics of last night and concluding that you're mafia as a result. I've already outlined why it makes you mafia, people should be able to see it. It's not like I just went 'Fire sus' and nothing else.

Okay, just don't think this is compelling case ur making.
Hey i managed to get town lean on u from this exchange. So this was useful.

[furtiveglance]

That's not what I'm doing. I'm just observing the mechanics of last night and concluding that you're mafia as a result. I've already outlined why it makes you mafia, people should be able to see it. It's not like I just went 'Fire sus' and nothing else.

Okay, just don't think this is compelling case ur making.
Hey i managed to get town lean on u from this exchange. So this was useful.

Again, if you actually thought I was town you'd want me to stop voting for you, and therefore would explain to me your actions last night.

[Firebringer]

i dont' care if ur town and wrong tbh. I don't play like that.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Don’t mean to be mean to anyone, sorry if you took it personally.

But if I am right about the entire team I do still agree the wolf team is doing garbage play.

If you have an issue with that and I am right on your entire team Andres we can take it up post game.

[furtiveglance]

Here's a purely mechanical argument for those players who townread Firebringer despite their actions being inexplicable, and unexplained:

Having a protected Cop check every night puts Town in a much better position that not having one. We know that Firebringer as Master of Coin will stop this from happening, whether they are Town or Mafia. Therefore we urgently need a new Master of Coin who will fund both the Cop and the Doctor. The only way to establish a new Master of Coin is to kill the current one, and therefore vote out Firebringer.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.

Here is what I will keep public since I already said it would be:
Junko got money.
Then I spent money in investments.
That is all.

I will not reveal anything about how much anything costs, including how much i started with or what i have now, etc. I said this from the beginning here and the in council PT.

That info is not useful for town and none of you could audit it anyway. None of you can prove if i even spent money on investments or i didn't give money to Luke. Theres no reason for me to claim the money available or how much i had. Any town pissed off and pressuring me for some accountability on this literally don't see how this info could be useful for scum.

Here is the basic point that scum probably should have pierced together but town who can't catch a clue should understand: Not everyone could have performed an action night one.

Enchant points about me making bad decisions is based on him knowing only seeing the end result. If Junko had performed a save, my decision would be held in better regard for it. But she didn't, not her fault and I didn't expect it to succeed.

@Furtive, stop being tunnelled and vote a wolf I named all 5 you can choose one and I’d prefer you vote out Andres so I can make you Prince after Andres and Johnny’s wolf flips.

[furtiveglance]

Just claim who you targeted last night plz.

Here is what I will keep public since I already said it would be:
Junko got money.
Then I spent money in investments.
That is all.

I will not reveal anything about how much anything costs, including how much i started with or what i have now, etc. I said this from the beginning here and the in council PT.

That info is not useful for town and none of you could audit it anyway. None of you can prove if i even spent money on investments or i didn't give money to Luke. Theres no reason for me to claim the money available or how much i had. Any town pissed off and pressuring me for some accountability on this literally don't see how this info could be useful for scum.

Here is the basic point that scum probably should have pierced together but town who can't catch a clue should understand: Not everyone could have performed an action night one.

Enchant points about me making bad decisions is based on him knowing only seeing the end result. If Junko had performed a save, my decision would be held in better regard for it. But she didn't, not her fault and I didn't expect it to succeed.

@Furtive, stop being tunnelled and vote a wolf I named all 5 you can choose one and I’d prefer you vote out Andres so I can make you Prince after Andres and Johnny’s wolf flips.

Andres is Town, you are a Clown. I scumread Dwlee, GuiltyLion, Datisi, and I think you COULD be right on Baltar or Penguin.

[Datisi]

Having a protected Cop check every night puts Town in a much better position that not having one.

i think the issue is that you're assuming this is something that is possible to have in this setup, which is not information we have.

[furtiveglance]

Having a protected Cop check every night puts Town in a much better position that not having one.

i think the issue is that you're assuming this is something that is possible to have in this setup, which is not information we have.

You're correct, but I'd be very surprised if you couldn't fund 2 of 4 power roles in a night.

[furtiveglance]

Slots that need to leave the game for Town to win (furtiveglance edition):

1. JohnnyFarrar

2. GuiltyLion

3. Dwlee99

4. Firebringer

5. VP Baltar

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Firebringer]

but my vote is locked onto you for the rest of the game until one of us dies.

my dude this didn't even last half an hour

[Datisi]

i did some simping for you in the supporters pt, i got you

[Firebringer]

no simping allowed!
also i shouldn't be antagonizing people. I am supposed to be positivebringer today.
Only positivity allowed.

[furtiveglance]

but my vote is locked onto you for the rest of the game until one of us dies.

my dude this didn't even last half an hour

With a reread of the Master of Coin description I considered the possibility that part of Pooky's intent was to create suspicion on the role by making it seem easier to fund more PRs than it actually is. I am considering this possibility. I am also considering the possibility that you are mafia and lying. You are not safe from me. Do not relax.

[Firebringer]

i wonder if i can petition pooky to offer an investment for Coin bodyguards. I think i will surely need this.

[furtiveglance]

i wonder if i can petition pooky to offer an investment for Coin bodyguards. I think i will surely need this.

If you don't fund Datisi tonight, no bodyguard will save you. That probably goes without saying.