Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[skitter30]

Unwnd's scol vote is a little icky

[Scoliosis]

are you going to explain

No, I don't think you're a town, and the way you collapsed off your pedestal as soon as I showed up and you are now dancing around my slot makes me think you are quite afraid of the repercussions of provoking me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you going to explain

No, I don't think you're a town, and the way you collapsed off your pedestal as soon as I showed up and you are now dancing around my slot makes me think you are quite afraid of the repercussions of provoking me.

I'm giving you a fair chance to convince me you're town by explaining your thought process

[skitter30]

this is where my reads are after full reread:

town:
ydra, iv, herta, freedom, unwnd, skitter, toto

neutral:
val, gera, kt

scum:
scol, dann


i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think

VOTE: dannflor

I think scol ia town
Dann is null and it's wild that you're voting him
Why are you townreading all of:me, herta, freedom, and unwnd

[unwnd]

0 real time sorting/engagement to sort

lots of declarative statements dressed up to look fancier than they actually are

low desire to really be in the thread and talk out reads with the people he is "townreading"

Not being here in realtime is not a scumtell ...

this game started a week ago do you see him trying to have a conversation with anyone at any point about anything

That's not the sort of player he is, above post case in point

Uh I don't agree that we know what type of player he is. This could be a gimmick, this could be a new player, this could be a lot of things. I don't like assuming because it leads into confirmation bias.

[skitter30]

The fact that you aren't voting pooky and are leaving your vote at nl makes me suspicious you are preparing for a read flip if you see my wagon becomes popular. I'm expecting scum skitter to continue to hedge their reads for a while so they have the option of pretending to flip their read on me if it becomes clear that scum need my wagon to go through today.

There is literally nothing in my iso that indicates that i have any desire or inclination to vote you, like half of my iso is indicating the exact opposite

[skitter30]

Ok, scoliosis are you an alt or gimmick player? Are you new? Do you have experience playing forum mafia?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he is both an alt and a gimmick player and the way he's engaging with the thread is very ++scum for him I'm not going to alt out him

[skitter30]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

[skitter30]

Ok that is very different than what i was thinking

[Scoliosis]

I know nothing about you. I don't know what your intentions are beyond the times you pop in with some sort of directive. I think it would be helpful to me if you conversed more in real-time.

I think you're gullible and naive and will probably be a liability moving forward, but if it makes you feel any better, I think you're sincere and mean well. I'm working on an updated reads list right now. What do you want to talk about?

From your disposition, why does me being 'gulliable and naive' make me town? I could easily be faking that. This black and white thinking would be far more of a hindrance than any stupid shit I could possibly do

#1 Because it looks like pookythebear is trying to pocket you and on principle I don't believe scum try to pocket scum.

#2 I think pookythebear waited to vote me until after you did which I don't think he would do if you're town

#3 I think it's really unbelievable that someone would find pookythebear's push on me persuasive, and the fact that you fell for it makes me think that you are uninformed, because I think scum would be more wary about following pookythebear here, regardless of his alignment.

Also, not to be a dick, but if you had really paid close attention to 468, I think it would have been clear that I was townreading because of the dynamic between you and pookythebear, not necessarily because you're gullible.

[Ydrasse]

oh i think i know who scoliosis is lol

[unwnd]

I don't think pooky has ever successfully pocketed me once

He can tell you that I am his biggest critic lmao

[Scoliosis]

he is both an alt and a gimmick player and the way he's engaging with the thread is very ++scum for him I'm not going to alt out him

Pookythebear has no idea who I am. This is an attempt to clutter up the thread because he's worried now.

[skitter30]

Fwiw i'm reading them as experienced in mafia but new to ms and is used to a different site meta (and/or possibly an irl player new to forum mafia)

Ok can you at least comfirm or deny this theory?

[skitter30]

Man playing without meta the one time was really really nice >.>

[Scoliosis]

I don't think pooky has ever successfully pocketed me once

He can tell you that I am his biggest critic lmao

Rules were meant to be broken:

Yeah I saw that too but I felt like being devil's advocate that maybe it was just level 0 townplay

just rereading the iso again it looks like he's more interested in pushing and consolidating his position in thread than actually sorting anyone.

posts are heavy on declarative statements and light on interaction/sorting.

That's a bit harsh because he does have a structure to his posts that is lacking in some other individuals. I think that's what read it more favorably compared to other posters

Like I don't get why you like Herta of all people

That's a bit harsh because he does have a structure to his posts that is lacking in some other individuals. I think that's what read it more favorably compared to other posters

Like I don't get why you like Herta of all people

yea he has structure but look at interactions -

he has

0 real time sorting/engagement to sort

lots of declarative statements dressed up to look fancier than they actually are

low desire to really be in the thread and talk out reads with the people he is "townreading"

I oddly feel like trusting you and I hate that feeling

i mean we can just dunk on dannflor first if you feel strongly about scol

i think they have p high partner equity with each other

No no I'm fine with playing this out actually and like your perspective (of all fucking things)

VOTE: Scolosis

hyyyyyype

VOTE: scol

Looks like pocket to me.

[unwnd]

Also no offense to you because it's Mafia and you can play however

I do think you're being a little dickish. I have that in me too, especially when I want to make a point. Like I said, I have experience with Skitter/Ydra/Dann/etc. I have certain expectations and things I'm looking out for. Right now I think Pooky's approach is more town: should that be discredited? Do you think it's possible to seperate those experiences, or perhaps they are just..deluding me?

[skitter30]

I actually disliked that interaction the other way
Either way i still don't think scoliosis is scum here

[skitter30]

I feel like you let yourself get talked into that vote a little too easily @unwnd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why are you townreading all of:me, herta, freedom, and unwnd

you just feel pretty townie to me

like peta says you're just kind of an easy read

the way I read you is mostly looking at your posts - comparing to thread and seeing if you're keeping up and generally how much you want to be here. if you feel like you want to be here/engage I slot you as town. You have issues keeping up with the thread this starts looking worse. Granted this isn't the fastest moving game so its not like foolproof way to slot you rn it still feels to me like you are engaged in the game and actually enjoying playing. I know I am biased because your last two scum games you kind of flaked out and those were larges moving at p fast speed but I think this is closer to how you looked in the coalition run than either of those scum games.

herta is very stilted as mafia, he doesn't really flow into the thread, it's like the guy at the party who has a drink in his hand but isn't involved in any of the conversations.

freedom is town because when he's scum, his questions are agenda-y and you can sort of see where he's trying to push something - here he's just kind of asking random things and popping in to say things.

unwnd is town because his play is completely perpendicular to his scum play - it is unstructured and freeflowing in a way that I don't think he really enjoys doing in general and especially as scum because chaos is the enemy of making plans.

[unwnd]

I mean if you want me to get on a tangent about how current meta seems to favor being do-or-die on votes/reads because there is some boogeyman that enabling that behavior means scum can do it too is frankly dumb

Especially on D1 lmao

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you analyze scol's posting in response to me.

you should notice this is very scum motivated from him and completely rooted in defensive omgus

every read he is "making" is based on "Pooky is scum" therefore.

There's no actual explanation of why Pooky is scum or why Pooky engages or what is bad about Pooky's iso.

There's no meat behind the thought process - it's mostly this person is trying to kill me so I'm going to call them scum.

[Toto]

VOTE: scol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"

so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.