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Post Post #3075 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:55 am

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Mastina, I was also thinking about our argument re: the odds of Junko/VPB/GL all being scum and all being the most popular wagons for King overnight.

And I remembered reading this article that you wrote a long time ago. I loved this article and I completely agree with it! I think this is an excellent mindset when playing mafia.

I'm having a really hard time squaring the mastina that wrote that article with the mastina playing this game. Again, it's basic mathematical fact that the odds of scum not only pushing three separate team members, and additionally
succeeding
at doing so, is very low. Obviously we know now that Junko was town, but we didn't know that at the time of this argument and I'm really struggling to fathom why you were so hellbent on pushing all three King candidates as scum other than an explanation where all of us were town and you wanted to derail that momentum. Please help me understand why town!mastina pushes such an improbable narrative when we have documented evidence that mastina knows that mafia needs to be played on balance of what is
probable
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Post Post #3076 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:56 am

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In post 3067, VP Baltar wrote:Interesting on the Math kill. Datisi, gib cop result.
i was waiting for someone to ask!! sad nobody else was thinking of me.

anyway. i decided i was checking in my bottomest tier. as i was rereading the game, i started feeling worse and worse about mastina, and i also started feeling like it was likely there was at least one scum who was properly/loudly defending dwlee.

i checked mastina. she is town.

and @dann, no i didn't say in advance who i was gonna check.
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Post Post #3077 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:56 am

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good check. we can stop worrying there.

Mastina, play better.
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Post Post #3078 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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In post 3076, Datisi wrote:i checked mastina. she is town.
What a waste.
I swear i told u that she was town.
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Post Post #3079 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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great choice datisi
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Post Post #3080 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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ugghhh I am both happy with that result and incredibly frustrated by it

VOTE: Johnny

let's do this then.

it would be best for Shea to make mastina Prince, right?
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Post Post #3081 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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welp that makes me feel bad
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Post Post #3082 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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In post 3075, GuiltyLion wrote:Mastina, I was also thinking about our argument re: the odds of Junko/VPB/GL all being scum and all being the most popular wagons for King overnight.

And I remembered reading this article that you wrote a long time ago. I loved this article and I completely agree with it! I think this is an excellent mindset when playing mafia.

I'm having a really hard time squaring the mastina that wrote that article with the mastina playing this game. Again, it's basic mathematical fact that the odds of scum not only pushing three separate team members, and additionally
succeeding
at doing so, is very low. Obviously we know now that Junko was town, but we didn't know that at the time of this argument and I'm really struggling to fathom why you were so hellbent on pushing all three King candidates as scum other than an explanation where all of us were town and you wanted to derail that momentum. Please help me understand why town!mastina pushes such an improbable narrative when we have documented evidence that mastina knows that mafia needs to be played on balance of what is
probable
, not
possible
.
we can discuss this postgame
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Post Post #3083 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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firebringer ability to figure out town mastina by annoyance levels never fails.
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Post Post #3084 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:57 am

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incoming half the game praising me and half the game screaming at me for that pick. math is rolling in his grave right now. sorry math.
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Post Post #3085 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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In post 3076, Datisi wrote:
In post 3067, VP Baltar wrote:Interesting on the Math kill. Datisi, gib cop result.
i was waiting for someone to ask!! sad nobody else was thinking of me.

anyway. i decided i was checking in my bottomest tier. as i was rereading the game, i started feeling worse and worse about mastina, and i also started feeling like it was likely there was at least one scum who was properly/loudly defending dwlee.

i checked mastina. she is town.

and @dann, no i didn't say in advance who i was gonna check.
Mastina was obvious town.
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Post Post #3086 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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In post 2550, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
Execution Vote Day TwoWith nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:
Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion
Dwlee99 [5]:
GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar
Firebringer [2]:
Enchant, furtiveglance,


not voting [7]:
JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)
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Post Post #3087 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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it was a good pick because otherwise I was never going to let mastina endgame

it's not your fault she's been scumsiding
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Post Post #3088 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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In post 3084, Datisi wrote:incoming half the game praising me and half the game screaming at me for that pick. math is rolling in his grave right now. sorry math.
That is not what you do with a Cop check. You check someone who will likely be voted.
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Post Post #3089 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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In post 3080, GuiltyLion wrote:t would be best for Shea to make mastina Prince, right?
GuiltyLion day drinking is highly concerning.
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Post Post #3090 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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In post 3085, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 3076, Datisi wrote:
In post 3067, VP Baltar wrote:Interesting on the Math kill. Datisi, gib cop result.
i was waiting for someone to ask!! sad nobody else was thinking of me.

anyway. i decided i was checking in my bottomest tier. as i was rereading the game, i started feeling worse and worse about mastina, and i also started feeling like it was likely there was at least one scum who was properly/loudly defending dwlee.

i checked mastina. she is town.

and @dann, no i didn't say in advance who i was gonna check.
Mastina was obvious town.
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Post Post #3091 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

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VOTE: Johnny
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Post Post #3092 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:59 am

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In post 3084, Datisi wrote:incoming half the game praising me and half the game screaming at me for that pick. math is rolling in his grave right now. sorry math.
Ehh its fine since literally everyone wants to jump on her for bad reads.
I give you one gold star. Would have gotten 2 if it was LLD
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Post Post #3093 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:59 am

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furtive, can you answer the question gl asked you in the supporters pt about me?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #3094 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:59 am

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In post 3088, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 3084, Datisi wrote:incoming half the game praising me and half the game screaming at me for that pick. math is rolling in his grave right now. sorry math.
That is not what you do with a Cop check. You check someone who will likely be voted.
considering how many people thought she was being scummy... i think she fit that criteria.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #3095 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:00 am

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In post 3089, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3080, GuiltyLion wrote:t would be best for Shea to make mastina Prince, right?
GuiltyLion day drinking is highly concerning.
as much as I hate Mastina's play this game, I can't see an argument to not put someone who is 100% town in that role? that way if we wind up overthrowing Shea there will never be a case to overthrow Mastina as well
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Post Post #3096 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:01 am

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In post 3095, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 3089, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3080, GuiltyLion wrote:t would be best for Shea to make mastina Prince, right?
GuiltyLion day drinking is highly concerning.
as much as I hate Mastina's play this game, I can't see an argument to not put someone who is 100% town in that role? that way if we wind up overthrowing Shea there will never be a case to overthrow Mastina as well
Here is a good argument:
Town Mastina with the power to execute more townies.
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Post Post #3097 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:02 am

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In post 3093, Datisi wrote:furtive, can you answer the question gl asked you in the supporters pt about me?
Just to clarify, I hadn't checked the PT yet. I wasn't avoiding it.
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Post Post #3098 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:02 am

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In post 3095, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 3089, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 3080, GuiltyLion wrote:t would be best for Shea to make mastina Prince, right?
GuiltyLion day drinking is highly concerning.
as much as I hate Mastina's play this game, I can't see an argument to not put someone who is 100% town in that role? that way if we wind up overthrowing Shea there will never be a case to overthrow Mastina as well
This is, I think, correct, though you’re assuming we get an execution of Johnny here (certainly what I think should happen, but we’ll see).
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Post Post #3099 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:02 am

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Ace strategy I kept in my pocket last night. So scum couldn't plot.

I think we lim Johnny today, who is LOL OBV SCUM. I assume Shea must install an heir immediately? If so, we have him put our second most likely suspect into that slot and then the Kingsguard overthrows tonight so we disperse power again on the council and kill a potential scum slot.

Scum's plan is very clearly to condense and eliminate PRs, based on the two NKs so far.
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