Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[innocentvillager]

Based on your recent posting, it sounds like if Scol hadn't claimed then you wouldn't be as opposed to claiming. So every claim in your eyes is severely -EV to town. Is that correct?

My question to you is: Do you really think the difference between 0->1 claims is not as large as the difference between 1-2 claims?

I would say no, and I think you need to present a compelling argument if you believe otherwise.

The fact of the matter is, Scol has already claimed, we cannot change that 1 person has claimed. So if you would claim if Scol hadn't claimed but not right now, I suggest you reconsider it from a logical perspective.

geraint can you answer this please?

[Ydrasse]

like i guess it's like

i see there's a relatively Easy way to deal with pressure if people think you're a wolf: see above

but he's doing the weirdest obtuse like, stick to his mafia morals play that doesnt make anyone like his posting really (except me but maybe im insane) and doesnt offer anything

i dont get why he would want to die unless hes being bussed or s/t

It’s possible scum decided to go for this approach because multiple of us are getting pocketed (including me and you and I think a couple others suggested newfound hesitance on geraint)

doesn't that like
require predicting the exact thing that would work on all of us

[Ydrasse]

oh wow i hate that emoji

[innocentvillager]

It is wack that is why I am trying to get him to cooperate

But it doesn’t make him scum pooky

[geraintm]

ok but why is it town to do so

It’s town to do so because scum never does it

Geraint could be scum here but he has a fake claim ready if he’s scum. He’s not stalling

I don't have a fake claim.
Eliminate me if I say anything beyond what I already have

[Ydrasse]

like i can see how scum him thinks

1) claim vt get limmed

2) claim a role get caught on nightplay somehow or get caught for surviving too long

and then decide its better to not claim

town him deciding oh im not gonna claim because if i claim a role then you guys will

run someone else up

is whack because he literally wants us to run someone else up

without

him claiming and getting pinned to something.

am i just stupid to think that wolves would bite the bullet and try to survive longer by doing 2 over this

[innocentvillager]

like i guess it's like

i see there's a relatively Easy way to deal with pressure if people think you're a wolf: see above

but he's doing the weirdest obtuse like, stick to his mafia morals play that doesnt make anyone like his posting really (except me but maybe im insane) and doesnt offer anything

i dont get why he would want to die unless hes being bussed or s/t

It’s possible scum decided to go for this approach because multiple of us are getting pocketed (including me and you and I think a couple others suggested newfound hesitance on geraint)

doesn't that like
require predicting the exact thing that would work on all of us

Scum gambit and get lucky all the time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why is that town

i've answered ur question smh

no you didnt

you claim scum him would do something different but you dont even know what

[Ydrasse]

ok but why is that town

i've answered ur question smh

no you didnt

you claim scum him would do something different but you dont even know what

???????

ok lol

[Ydrasse]

like i guess it's like

i see there's a relatively Easy way to deal with pressure if people think you're a wolf: see above

but he's doing the weirdest obtuse like, stick to his mafia morals play that doesnt make anyone like his posting really (except me but maybe im insane) and doesnt offer anything

i dont get why he would want to die unless hes being bussed or s/t

It’s possible scum decided to go for this approach because multiple of us are getting pocketed (including me and you and I think a couple others suggested newfound hesitance on geraint)

doesn't that like
require predicting the exact thing that would work on all of us

Scum gambit and get lucky all the time

maybeh

i'm just not convinced

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean its literally working on you? so like why would it not be a way for scum him to co

[innocentvillager]

like i can see how scum him thinks

1) claim vt get limmed

2) claim a role get caught on nightplay somehow or get caught for surviving too long

and then decide its better to not claim

town him deciding oh im not gonna claim because if i claim a role then you guys will

run someone else up

is whack because he literally wants us to run someone else up

without

him claiming and getting pinned to something.

I wouldn’t call this stalling

[innocentvillager]

I’m not convinced on anything either

I think both you and Pooky have reasonable points and that’s why I’m conflicted.

I just wish geraint would be more proactive

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like maybe hes right and im just butthurt that i lost to scum him stalling thru like 8 days doing jack shit while town did nothing

but he literally saw me catch his partner on d1 and yeet them and then he nightkilled me night one so i know his d1 doesnt matter all wagons r on town is a load of horseshif

[Ydrasse]

oh yeah

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m not convinced on anything either

I think both you and Pooky have reasonable points and that’s why I’m conflicted.

I just wish geraint would be more proactive

his policy is to do nothing readable and win by having the town miss that he exists

[innocentvillager]

like maybe hes right and im just butthurt that i lost to scum him stalling thru like 8 days doing jack shit while town did nothing

but he literally saw me catch his partner on d1 and yeet them and then he nightkilled me night one so i know his d1 doesnt matter all wagons r on town is a load of horseshif

I don't think he ever said all d1 wagons are on town, just that it was <rand to be scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its basically an excuse to not do shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<rand on scum and on town is just a matter of semantics the idea is the same and the intention of the excuse is the same.

[innocentvillager]

First of all I would say it's important to distinguish those for clarity of communication especially in this case. You are implying that just because in one of his recent game's, scum was eliminated D1, so he should logically reverse his policy or otherwise he's scum for sticking to that belief. Clarifying that he only said d1 wagon is <rand to be town weakens that argument a lot.

The issue is I think he at the very least holds this belief as town too. I agree with you that it is "wack", and that

@geraintm needs to actually proactively contribute to and suggest town's path forward

(we have to do SOMETHING).

If we are killing geraint, I think we should be honest about how much of the kill is genuine belief in him being scum and how much of it is policy. It feels to me like part of you wanting geraint dead is emotional/policy (which is fine). I think there is a portion of my current vote on geraint that is policy too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no im saying his excuse that he is using is invalid.

and i am tilted by people whose scum play is to do nothing and hope townies throw games to them so yes this is policy for playstyle.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have thought about this some more and i no longer want to vote out gera

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you are right that i am letting my raw hatred for his playstyle cloud my judgement and that it is unfair for me to insist on yeeting someone simply because i find their playstyle and obstinance completely intolerable.

[Toto]

I get being stubborn town. And his claim strategy as town is self consistent in some logical realm. Why does town!gera hard town read scol. Its like his only read.

[Datisi]

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