Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[innocentvillager]

what was obvious, to who, why might I think that sells me as town to those people?

[Freedom]

I think that I trust iv.
It reads to me that he was being genuine when he said that he was policying gera.
I feel like scum!iv is more likely to try pocket gera than policy him.

[Val89]

what was obvious

That gera was town.

to who

To everyone who actually had to evaluate gera's play without pre-knowing they were town - ie: town.

why might I think that sells me as town to those people?

Like I said, because you are trying to replicate how you play as town; just as I do when I roll scum. Scum!you thinks "Gera is obviously town, and town!me would also be able to tell this is a town jester throwing the game, and the town players in this game will probably realise this is a reasonable read for town!me to have, so that's the fake read i'll give"; but I think in that scenario you have overestimated how obvious it is to those who didn't already have the pre-knowledge that gera wasn't scum.

It's a theory that could be wrong on several levels - maybe it just was that obvious, and I didn't realise it because I'm shit at mafia; or maybe I'm going to be told that actually, IV is one of those players with a distinct townmeta, and scummeta, and faking reads according to how you think town you would think and act isn't something you do.

I thought yesterday when you were saying it was obvious they were town that it was part of the softly-softly approach you seemed to taking with a gera of an unknown alignment in order to get him to play the game and maybe spew - I thought it a pointless endeavour, and one that might play into scum!gera's gameplan, but one I could see someone else deciding was worth a shot. To come out today and immediately repeat that the way that flip was going was obvious has me thinking I was wrong, and you actually thought it obvious yesterday as well, and to me it was certainly not obvious, so I'm trying to explain that disconnect.

[innocentvillager]

“but I think in that scenario you have overestimated how obvious it is to those who didn't already have the pre-knowledge that gera wasn't scum.”

How is this possible if there was an entire wagon on geraint and only a couple people genuinely defeated geraint (and even those were just NAI reads mostly)

[Datisi]

vote count 2.01

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-12-15 15:00:00).

yeet

Herta [2]:

unwnd, Val89

Scoliosis [1]:

KittyTacky

not voting [9]:

Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Herta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Freedom, Dannflor,

Toto

, Scoliosis, skitter30

mod notes

~ skitter30 v/la fridays/saturdays
~ freedom v/la 7.12. and 9.12.
~ this is a mod note

flavour

[innocentvillager]

The rest of it doesn’t seemed unreasonable (I do think the way you described as scum sort of, but that still doesn’t make my behavior indicative)

And yes you are wrong on me doing some high IQ play, I wasn’t, I merely realized as I interacted with him that was very clearly town

[innocentvillager]

I can guarantee you that I am not able to play with this much engagement and fluidity if I am scum, and I think some others can attest to that. I don’t think many people on this site can either. I think you should focus your efforts elsewhere but if we need to get over this now we can

[innocentvillager]

“but I think in that scenario you have overestimated how obvious it is to those who didn't already have the pre-knowledge that gera wasn't scum.”

How is this possible if there was an entire wagon on geraint and only a couple people genuinely defeated geraint (and even those were just NAI reads mostly)

Defended not defeated

[innocentvillager]

I genuinely think with more time I could’ve convinced him to claim. It would’ve required like a lot of Real-time back and forth but fortunately he has a thing called mafia-life balance that I don’t have that cut our time short. I didn’t want to policy him, I genuinely tried to get him to cooperate and I thought there was a shot.

[unwnd]

I have no reason to think Freedom is town but I think it anyways

[innocentvillager]

That’s what I thought yesterday

I’ll revisit at a later time I guess

I feel like I want to hear from others first.

[Scoliosis]

Here's a sneak peek of my reread of d1, in order from left = strong to right = weak

Town toto, iv, val,

Town lean unwnd, ydrasse, herta, freedom, dannflor,

Scum skitter, kt, pooky

I will vote whichever one of my scum reads will actually reach 7 votes. I think voting someone other than those three names might be a throw, unless I'm making another terrible mistake.

[Scoliosis]

Don't really think scum throws their entire team on gera is the point I'n making

I agree, I believe there was one scum on each of gera and I and one scum who was off wagon(s) entirely (skitter.)

[KittyTacky]

Scum skitter

Distancing?

[Scoliosis]

Scum skitter

Distancing?

Scum skitter, kt

Chainsawing?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

resetting all my reads

these are off the table for me today:

Toto, IV, KittyTacky.

I want to know what Dannflor/Ydrasse/Skitter want to kill

[Scoliosis]

Dannflor/Ydrasse/Skitter

Town-town-scum

Toto, IV, KittyTacky.

Town-town-scum

[Scoliosis]

I'm linking pooky's drop in scum play with demoralization from the failed night kill.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Scoliosis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just got home from work 45 minutes ago and the game has been open less than a day, you're just making up random shit to throw at a wall.

[innocentvillager]

resetting all my reads

Why do you feel the need to reset your reads at this stage in the game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

complacency is bad

[Scoliosis]

I'm linking pooky's drop in scum play with demoralization from the failed night kill.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

scoli + skitter + unwnd?

[innocentvillager]

complacency is bad

can you elaborate on your answer? I'm genuinely very curious because this was not at all my feeling upon entering this Day 2. Do you just "reset" your reads every game day? I don't feel like you do.