House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[VP Baltar]

Next step is probably to review Datisi's dynamics with Mastina and Titus, as well as those two's dynamics with dwlee and each other.

[Titus]

strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

I feigned playing dumb. I didn't say I didn't want it.

[Titus]

I desperately want to be useful despite my hectic life

[GuiltyLion]

I do think if Datisi Never Dies we need to start walking down that paranoia road eventually, however I'm not sure yet if this particular moment is the right time for it, although I trust your intentions

namely despite my prior scumread on Titus I kind of think her reaction to being cleared has felt townie? specifically this:

Titus is playing weird all game saying she wants chaos, and in the Kingsguard thread made a strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

she said it was a reaction test to out scum, I think her thinking was maybe scum would try to argue she should not be Lord Commander despite being town, and I buy that explanation.

that said, I

do

think we need to start wondering why scum doesn't seem to be afraid of the cop. Like they killed Luke before they killed Junko, and then they killed Andres instead of the new doc Mastina. Why are they not worried about being guiltied?

[fireisredsir]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

Does everyone think my wagon is pure here

I highly highly doubt it.

There must be scum in Shea/Fire/Drap

i mean it depends yea?

assuming you're town here, if scum are hardbussing dwlee then i would not be surprised to see them be super careful to avoid a direct counterwagon like this

[Titus]

I do think if Datisi Never Dies we need to start walking down that paranoia road eventually, however I'm not sure yet if this particular moment is the right time for it, although I trust your intentions

namely despite my prior scumread on Titus I kind of think her reaction to being cleared has felt townie? specifically this:

Titus is playing weird all game saying she wants chaos, and in the Kingsguard thread made a strange post about maybe not wanting to be commander, then when I questioned her on it, she immediately self votes.

she said it was a reaction test to out scum, I think her thinking was maybe scum would try to argue she should not be Lord Commander despite being town, and I buy that explanation.

that said, I

do

think we need to start wondering why scum doesn't seem to be afraid of the cop. Like they killed Luke before they killed Junko, and then they killed Andres instead of the new doc Mastina. Why are they not worried about being guiltied?

Datisi should be limmed at elo minus 1 day if still alive.

[Titus]

I think mechanically when every PR is replaced, scum can never kill the cop.

[GuiltyLion]

but who is scum hardbussing in that world? Datisi? and even if you're going for a hard bus, the dream is to get another miselim first so that the hardbussers can continue to further hard bus and then play the "y'all should have listened to me when you wasted a lim on GL" card

[Titus]

If the cop is jked, then it's protected.
If the doc is killed, it'll be replaced.
If the doc fails to heal, scum in jailkeeper or doctor.

[VP Baltar]

then they killed Andres instead of the new doc Mastina.

Exactly. why leave a supposedly CONFIRMED town alive for endgame?

Also, scum don't have any kind of strongman ability this game and are just going to each shit from cop clears until the game is over?

I know I'm paranoid, but the facts are wigging me out that this feels way too easy. I'm not saying we lim from that pool of people today because I'm probably just paranoid, but I really do not want Titus leading the Kingsguard I think. I don't care if it's GL or me, but I think blindly following these results is maybe too risky for me.

[Titus]

then they killed Andres instead of the new doc Mastina.

Exactly. why leave a supposedly CONFIRMED town alive for endgame?

Also, scum don't have any kind of strongman ability this game and are just going to each shit from cop clears until the game is over?

I know I'm paranoid, but the facts are wigging me out that this feels way too easy. I'm not saying we lim from that pool of people today because I'm probably just paranoid, but I really do not want Titus leading the Kingsguard I think. I don't care if it's GL or me, but I think blindly following these results is maybe too risky for me.

This is the reaction I expected scum to have. Plus your misrep is not good.

[Datisi]

@baltar

i see zero reason to paranoia you yet and this madman ramble just confirms it

i never wanted mastina to be princess, i was advocating against it because i felt like she is gonna lolshoot my townreads

the games where i got those cop guilties were actually pretty easy as games, i was doing the same thing i did here

i object to being called placating because i feel like i did have scumreads that i dished it out with, just so happens that johnny was gone for most of the game and i couldn't talk to him exactly

here i'd insert a self-meta argument but idk if anyone cares about that soooo

10 trillion pedits i'm not reading

[fireisredsir]

but who is scum hardbussing in that world? Datisi? and even if you're going for a hard bus, the dream is to get another miselim first so that the hardbussers can continue to further hard bus and then play the "y'all should have listened to me when you wasted a lim on GL" card

datisi seems like the most likely hardbusser in any world to me, yea

[VP Baltar]

Datisi do you have games where you kept missing cop shots and lived past Day 2? I don't think these are madman rambles entirely.

[VP Baltar]

but who is scum hardbussing in that world? Datisi? and even if you're going for a hard bus, the dream is to get another miselim first so that the hardbussers can continue to further hard bus and then play the "y'all should have listened to me when you wasted a lim on GL" card

datisi seems like the most likely hardbusser in any world to me, yea

Datisi is 100% not afraid to hardbus.


Fire, am I being crazy here? Shea, please weigh in. I need opinions to talk me down if I am.

[fireisredsir]

i think they are reasonable rambles and makes me feel better about baltar compared to when he said i was crazy for thinking datisi was scummy

[Datisi]

i was gonna say that that is so highly specific i don't, but somehow i actually do

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84074

missed first two cop shots, scum kept me alive despite me burying one of their own

[Titus]

I find it odd that only the people FoSed find Datisi scummy and note GL and VP suddenly disagreeing on me. I think shea, drapion or dann might be good flips too.

I doubt VP and fire are both scum though it is fair to FoS Datisi as he must be eliminated at elo minus 1 day anyway. Just feels convenient.

[VP Baltar]

i was gonna say that that is so highly specific i don't, but somehow i actually do

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=84074

missed first two cop shots, scum kept me alive despite me burying one of their own

A game for every situation lol

Ok, lemme read peep at this in a bit.

[fireisredsir]

I find it odd that only the people FoSed find Datisi scummy and note GL and VP suddenly disagreeing on me. I think shea, drapion or dann might be good flips too.

I doubt VP and fire are both scum though it is fair to FoS Datisi as he must be eliminated at elo minus 1 day anyway. Just feels convenient.

i said i found datisi scummy in like my 5th post. ive actually found him less suspicious over time as i read more, but the latest check set off alarms again for me

i don't see how it's convenient. i don't think we're going to lim datisi today even if there's some concern

[GuiltyLion]

fireisred, what's your opinion on Titus as Lord Commander, I think that's what VPB his chiefly concerned about at the moment

[Titus]

Before I forget, Datisi must be eliminated at elo minus one (regardless of strength of TR). We want to lock in his checks and force scum into insane arguments like Datisi fake cleared if he's town. If he's scum, we want to not let him or scum have that argument in elo leaving us with no info at all.

[VP Baltar]

i don't see how it's convenient. i don't think we're going to lim datisi today even if there's some concern

Right. I don't think we should lim datisi today. I just don't think betting entirely on Datisi being town and appointing more council members based on that is a good idea. I think we need some insurance against that world, and that means not appointing Titus.

I am fine if it's not me since I'm the one who raised this concern and that looks self serving. I am currently voting myself in the kingsguard thread, but will change to GL if that's what the majority wants.

[fireisredsir]

fireisred, what's your opinion on Titus as Lord Commander, I think that's what VPB his chiefly concerned about at the moment

oh. i guess that is convenient then, that's a fair point

yea idk. if not titus i would want baltar but im not sure if im sold on that being the best play despite my concerns on datisi

[fireisredsir]

id probably lean baltar