Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[furtiveglance]

hardclaim libra but my reads this hour are like,

tw
lukewarm
cephrir
freedom
ss
you

i don't see what you're seeing and i don't think cephrir makes sense as scum. i do think you're tunneled on that gamestate read, which is different from being tunneled on a single slot, but is similarly not very helpful for other people trying to solve the game.

i'm not really trying to roast you, just trying to highlight a flaw in our communication. can you explain to me why you're locktown on freedom?

I think voting for Junko yesterday when there was a free ride on your slot courtesy of Bell would be borderline throwing as scum.

[furtiveglance]

idk it's like a gimmick to try and earn pity?

but like. when does this ever work.

do you think he's scum trying to use a pseudo-AtE strategy to win, or scum who's kind of abandoned winning and is just groaning his way through endgame?
those are two super different things

They sound similar to me, you could be pessimistic and still try to win via being willing to die so people think you're town. I don't get why you think they're towny

[Lukewarm]

@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

i honestly have some trouble squaring how the setup is balanced with scum in the council, but did we ever get another explanation for the kittytacky kill? i forget

Why do you think that it would be less balanced that way?

what is to stop scum from shooting every significant source of town power

The pair of mason doctors that did not need to be activated?

[Lukewarm]

I voted your slot yesterday and re-evaluated after the cw flipped scum.

To be clear, I dont think that thinking about it as a counter wagon is very productive, since, at least from your PoV, both wagons were town motivated.

Votes on Dann were conf!town!Bell, and you

Votes on Junko were your current town reads, me and Freedom followed by conf!town Bell, then the self vote by Junko, hammer by Ceph.

[the worst]

i feel like i have a really warped view of this gamestate, might be recency bias or something thanks to replacing in. wild.

VOTE: SS

at this rate i do think furtive is the better lim today buuuuut
i want this to flip red so once again ydrasse can glare from the sidelines, unable to post (legally not connection-wise this time) while i steal all the glory

[furtiveglance]

I voted your slot yesterday and re-evaluated after the cw flipped scum.

To be clear, I dont think that thinking about it as a counter wagon is very productive, since, at least from your PoV, both wagons were town motivated.

Votes on Dann were conf!town!Bell, and you

Votes on Junko were your current town reads, me and Freedom followed by conf!town Bell, then the self vote by Junko, hammer by Ceph.

True that's a GP

[the worst]

general like, vca thoughts (sorry (i'm not sorry i'll never learn)) - scum are much more likely to self-vote in game-critical situations if they've been correctly bussed.
not sure if that really counts for junko's situation tbqh but i'm just like the tiniest bit wary of freedom today :I

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: The worst

[Cephrir]

Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

So you're voting for me out of annoyance

Weird take from someone who's saying others are throwing

I think your air of doom is a scum tactic

cool

why?

Just seems easy to do

how does that make it a scum tactic

idk it's like a gimmick to try and earn pity?

you know what else is easy to do? attacking something without having any real thoughts behind it

[the worst]

for the record i think i'm a fine, albeit very far from ideal, lim today. keep me alive til f3, crossvote and i'll nail this game. i'm an ELO god and i've never misvoted once ever, not even once.

idk it's like a gimmick to try and earn pity?

but like. when does this ever work.

do you think he's scum trying to use a pseudo-AtE strategy to win, or scum who's kind of abandoned winning and is just groaning his way through endgame?
those are two super different things

They sound similar to me, you could be pessimistic and still try to win via being willing to die so people think you're town. I don't get why you think they're towny

here's the thing... that doesn't actually win sympathy in mafia games. like, ever. ceph has been around a long time and has a high level of social self-awareness and i really don't think he's someone who would expect a (sorry if i'm wrong and this is mean) super phoned-in AtE attempt to get him through to endgame against this plist.

i don't think he's likely to anticipate someone with my kind of upside-down world view to replace in and white knight the strategy either

i kind of understand where you're coming from but please look at who's flipped scum again. this scumteam has been absolutely dancing on the town for at least 4-5 phases. do you really think cephrir, a capable scum player who has just utterly non-engaged with the entire damn team, actually makes sense as their last partner?

[Cephrir]

@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

i honestly have some trouble squaring how the setup is balanced with scum in the council, but did we ever get another explanation for the kittytacky kill? i forget

Why do you think that it would be less balanced that way?

what is to stop scum from shooting every significant source of town power

The pair of mason doctors that did not need to be activated?

they both needed to be alive to function, and they wouldn't know who to protect if leaders didn't out their targets to everyone

[the worst]

alright ydrasse has probably had enough time to put a curse on me

VOTE: furtiveglance

[furtiveglance]

alright ydrasse has probably had enough time to put a curse on me

VOTE: furtiveglance

I don't get this, but banter with the moderator is scummy

[Lukewarm]

@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

i honestly have some trouble squaring how the setup is balanced with scum in the council, but did we ever get another explanation for the kittytacky kill? i forget

Why do you think that it would be less balanced that way?

what is to stop scum from shooting every significant source of town power

The pair of mason doctors that did not need to be activated?

they both needed to be alive to function, and they wouldn't know who to protect if leaders didn't out their targets to everyone

I did not realize that in reading their role. Where was that established?

[Cephrir]

i thought one of them said that

guess i could be misremembering

[the worst]

excuse u furtive i banter with

EVERYONE

[the worst]

calling my personality scummy rude

[the worst]

i thought one of them said that

guess i could be misremembering

i was misremembering it the same but i can't see anything that affirms it is the case

[Lukewarm]

Would someone mind unvoting to get us off e-1, I am working on a wall post >.<

[furtiveglance]

Would someone mind unvoting to get us off e-1, I am working on a wall post >.<

I already flipped guys I'm town D_D

[the worst]

VOTE: SS i am a whim personified

[the worst]

Would someone mind unvoting to get us off e-1, I am working on a wall post >.<

I already flipped guys I'm town D_D

just verified for safety's sake this is not remotely true

[the worst]

Wait are you drafting a huge case against me? Why did I unvote to help you what is wrong with me

[furtiveglance]

Wait are you drafting a huge case against me? Why did I unvote to help you what is wrong with me

I love Lukewarm cases actually, quite excited

[the worst]

I feel quite tepid about them
jokes aside me too