Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[Lukewarm]

i still kinda think, irrespective, we should do SS' warrior ceremony and try to go into d10 f3

Doesn't this require trusting me? You'd have to lim two people who aren't me, and if I'm scum I just win the next night.

I think that he meant kill someone today.

Day 9 is 4 alive, no kill

You try to stop the kill night 9.

If the kill happens, then your target is cleared in 3p elo, you and your non-target cross.

If the kill does not happen, then you and your target cross.


Either way, it results in a clear in (m)elo

what is to stop scum from holstering here

They can. I did not think about it all that closely, because I was just trying to reword what I thought the worst was advocating.

SS's response was to say that [if we would kill today, and tomorrow, and hope he saves the game if we are wrong would instantly lose to scum!ss], and was therefore questioning the worsts suggestion. I was chiming in to say that SS misread the worsts suggestion.

[Lukewarm]

BTW I don't think anyone could have not shot bell last night lol, leaving him alive any longer would point to his reads having mistakes

i concur -- afaik bell never outed how many shots he had, and as a result i think anyone could easily think he might not be limited and feel forced to get him the hell out of here

Bell clearly stated that he was one shot the day that he claimed, you made a few comments about him potentially having more shots the following day, but I chose not to correct you, because it seemed anti-town to clarify

[Lukewarm]

I'm feathertail.
A 1-shot vig.
I'm still an apprentice.

[Cephrir]

fun fact: raccoons cannot read

[Cephrir]

in fact some have said they do not even understand english!!

[Lukewarm]

Ceph, you are doing quite well for yourself if that is true !!

[Something_Smart]

Dude, I am literally just trying to figure out your PoE, because I have no idea what you are thinking about this game.

IF you don't want to name 2 names, give me one. Or even just vote. Am asking you questions to get you to play the game that we are playing.

You do have an idea of what I'm thinking-- it's not like I'm sitting on super spicy secret reads and refusing to share them. I don't want to get into trouble grasping at straws that I can't justify. And I'm willing to make an effort, but solving this late is already really hard and the constant replacements make it harder. But it is getting to be holiday season, so I don't really want to comb through posts for hours to get 1% better reads.

My first thought is furtive, because multiple people have pointed out the Ali/Norwee interactions. And I want to say that if the leaders were all town more of them would be dead by now, though scum has spent the last 5? nights killing confirmed townies, so I'm not sure when they really would have had time for that. And I do remember that someone said Ali/Norwee was absolutely not S/S, though I forget who.

I have been perennially conflicted on Ceph. He seems like he's really determined to keep me in the PoE but he's never wanted to really lead the charge against me? I don't know if that's scum indicative but it scares me because I've been thoroughly sick of supposedly being townread and then having that suddenly just vanish and people mislim me without caring at all about what I have to say. This has happened in my last three towngames, and I feel like he's trying to encourage it here. If he's scum I would imagine his plan is to try to lim me in elo/melo.

In fact, I think that's scum's plan, whoever they are. I was already considering suggesting this, but I think it makes even more sense the more I think about it-- I would like people to commit to limming me either today, or not at all. Because scum are going to be incentivized to push on me pretty hard tomorrow, or else they have to effectively dodge an extra lim.

[Lukewarm]

And I do remember that someone said Ali/Norwee was absolutely not S/S, though I forget who.

I saw that be said by Val and Shiro. I also said something similar when I first read the windclan pt

[Lukewarm]

The strength of Alisae's scumread on Val is overblown, in a way that I feel indicates that Val caught Alisae and Norwee's interaction being scum-scum for what it is.

There is absolutly no way Alisae and Norwee interaction were scum-scum

I'm ruling out a scum Norwee-Alisae pairing

[Lukewarm]

I will be baffled if the Norwee slot is scum with Alisae

[Lukewarm]

I can't find anywhere that Titus or Enchant weighed in on the question. I checked to round out the Townies in WindClan, but no joy.

[Something_Smart]

With all due respect, if a hood is 3/5 scum (or 3/6 I guess, though most of the interactions happened before Titus joined iirc?), I don't really trust the other 2 townies to be able to correctly read hood interactions.

[Lukewarm]

Dude, I am literally just trying to figure out your PoE, because I have no idea what you are thinking about this game.

IF you don't want to name 2 names, give me one. Or even just vote. Am asking you questions to get you to play the game that we are playing.

You do have an idea of what I'm thinking-- it's not like I'm sitting on super spicy secret reads and refusing to share them. I don't want to get into trouble grasping at straws that I can't justify. And I'm willing to make an effort, but solving this late is already really hard and the constant replacements make it harder. But it is getting to be holiday season, so I don't really want to comb through posts for hours to get 1% better reads.

My first thought is furtive, because multiple people have pointed out the Ali/Norwee interactions. And I want to say that if the leaders were all town more of them would be dead by now, though scum has spent the last 5? nights killing confirmed townies, so I'm not sure when they really would have had time for that. And I do remember that someone said Ali/Norwee was absolutely not S/S, though I forget who.

I have been perennially conflicted on Ceph. He seems like he's really determined to keep me in the PoE but he's never wanted to really lead the charge against me? I don't know if that's scum indicative but it scares me because I've been thoroughly sick of supposedly being townread and then having that suddenly just vanish and people mislim me without caring at all about what I have to say. This has happened in my last three towngames, and I feel like he's trying to encourage it here. If he's scum I would imagine his plan is to try to lim me in elo/melo.

In fact, I think that's scum's plan, whoever they are. I was already considering suggesting this, but I think it makes even more sense the more I think about it-- I would like people to commit to limming me either today, or not at all. Because scum are going to be incentivized to push on me pretty hard tomorrow, or else they have to effectively dodge an extra lim.

Do you have any thoughts about the Dann/worst slot?

That is who I want to kill

[Lukewarm]

With all due respect, if a hood is 3/5 scum (or 3/6 I guess, though most of the interactions happened before Titus joined iirc?), I don't really trust the other 2 townies to be able to correctly read hood interactions.

I did not feel that way about Ali and Shiidaji/T3

But I understand your point.

[Something_Smart]

I can definitely see Ali treating T3 way differently from Norwee, if all three of them were partnered and in a hood.

I don't have a good track record of reading Dann or tw. I did feel that tw and I didn't really connect in the hood the way I was hoping when he repped in, partially my fault for not continuing the conversation, but it could be that he was nervous about having a prolonged 1-on-1 interaction with me. Dann I think has been largely meh, I can go read his interactions with catboi in the hood though, because I'd imagine they would try some fancy stuff but I don't really recall that happening?

Dann did share with us, unprompted, that fire was given the warrior ceremony. I don't know that that means anything, but I guess it's a bit weird that he did it out of the blue? (Not even a "do you all think I should share with you who we voted on?")

[Lukewarm]

My point was not that they were different, but what ever.

For the record, shidaji made 3 total posts in the windclan pt.

So I don't really agree that their existence in the hood actually has any bearing on anyone else's perception on the Norwee/Ali interactions, since they were such a non-presence.

So, while I understand your hesitance to think that townies could sort out theater vs pocket attempts if the hood was potentially 50%+ scum, i don't think that that third member actually matters from my pov having read the pt.

[Freedom]

In fact, I think that's scum's plan, whoever they are. I was already considering suggesting this, but I think it makes even more sense the more I think about it-- I would like people to commit to limming me either today, or not at all. Because scum are going to be incentivized to push on me pretty hard tomorrow, or else they have to effectively dodge an extra lim.

Did you not read the worst's strategy?
He literally told scum to NK you by giving you a ceremony today.
He's literally trying to get rid of you while pretending that he doesn't.

[Freedom]

what did i miss?

what are your other reads

You didn't seem to realise S_S claimed Odd-Night when you made that pro-scum strategy.
You literally were telling Town to throw and give scum (from what should be your POV) two free NKs.

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For my other reads, I TR Luke because of his play, which feels pro-Town to me.
I think that you're scum who is trying to get rid of S_S while pretending you don't.
Ceph and furtive are null but willing to vote between them if I'm wrong on you.
Especially, furtive because of the possibility that one Leader is scum.

[Lukewarm]

You didn't seem to realise S_S claimed Odd-Night when you made that pro-scum strategy.
You literally were telling Town to throw and give scum (from what should be your POV) two free NKs.

Freedom, I am confused.

Can you say what you the worst suggested, and what makes it pro scum?

[Lukewarm]

Like, compare it to what I think is the default for how this game will play out if we are wrong today:

We miss today.
You or I will be night killed.
Day 9 No Kill
The other of you or I will die.

3p Elo.

[Lukewarm]

But it is getting to be holiday season, so I don't really want to comb through posts for hours to get 1% better reads.

SS, if you don't want to take the time to do back reads, why are you not voting?

Is there something else you are waiting for to vote toDay?

[the worst]

I don't have a good track record of reading Dann or tw. I did feel that tw and I didn't really connect in the hood the way I was hoping when he repped in, partially my fault for not continuing the conversation, but it could be that he was nervous about having a prolonged 1-on-1 interaction with me.

er
you posted like twice
I threw some vca and speculative thoughts out and a couple of questions and you never responded
our disconnect here is not on me - and I'm pretty quick to self criticise.

this is a decent part of why I'm still wary of you btw, going strictly by the thread I think you're usually town, I'm just quite stunned that you didn't put the energy into us clicking.

[the worst]

y'all, it's freedom

[the worst]

do me a thought exercise and split characters into two categories

- having conversations, digesting information, evaluating reads
- trying to look like they're solving but not really caring about what anyone says

account for burnout
I get 4.5 to 1.5

[Something_Smart]

Did you not read the worst's strategy?
He literally told scum to NK you by giving you a ceremony today.
He's literally trying to get rid of you while pretending that he doesn't.

If scum are going to NK me, it doesn't matter whether I get the ceremony today or tomorrow. If I survive until N9, I'm getting the ceremony regardless, it would be basically a throw not to give it to me.