House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061

did you forget what your read was supposed to be or

I'm on phone but is that really the only progression on me? Mind you it is 2000 posts ago but.

[Datisi]

was there any general talk about dann being possible scum in the dissenter pt during n3? i just checked the supporters pt, there was like, one offhand comment by baltar. if there was, that's even worse for drapion, imho.

[fireisredsir]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061

did you forget what your read was supposed to be or

I'm on phone but is that really the only progression on me? Mind you it is 2000 posts ago but.

i searched LLD and lady and lambda and delta and there was no further attempt to sort

so unless there was something in a PT im not in

[Datisi]

so unless there was something in a PT im not in

in the supporters pt, there is a
- one post like 3 weeks ago that says lld is not scum because she's too analytical
- two days ago, saying she isn't townie in a vacuum
- and one post recently where he says a possible scumteam is lld/firebringer/enchant (i think? the post isn't 100% clear)

so not much progression here

[fireisredsir]

was there any general talk about dann being possible scum in the dissenter pt during n3? i just checked the supporters pt, there was like, one offhand comment by baltar. if there was, that's even worse for drapion, imho.

mastina was pushing dann scum hard consistently and drap would respond with "yea guys mastina is so right on VP and GL being scum!! maybe not dann though"

on a quick skim the only other dann mention around that time was me supporting mastina's poe (including dann) and saying that dann was like my 5th choice for scum

[fireisredsir]

mastina did have multiple wallposts about dann being scum n3 tho

[Firebringer]

Drapion progression in PT on LLD
Monday Nov 22 - put LLD in the null pile #137
Monday Nov 28 - says he wants to elim in the LLD/UNO #347

This is all the references i see to LLD
i think he also said at some point in relation to us pointing out lld not using thread that not using PT was scummy but i could be misremembering that for someone else but it sounds like a drapion post

[Firebringer]

@people who are in the dissenter(?) pt - is this true?

i mean its a repeat of what he said here. there isnt anything new added to him saying it in PT.
repeat the point:
VPB/GL scum but if town then Dann scum.

And its like one post.

[UNOwen]

Challenge: ProfessorDrapion

Firebringer clearly doesn’t want to fight.

[Firebringer]

the fact scum want me dead might be a clue to why

[UNOwen]

the fact scum want me dead might be a clue to why

What?

[UNOwen]

Did Firebringer seriously get doc’d/ jk’d last night?
Is that what he’s saying?

[furtiveglance]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061

did you forget what your read was supposed to be or

Her content dropped off massively, do you disagree?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061

did you forget what your read was supposed to be or

Her content dropped off massively, do you disagree?

It was already dead by that point. This is not an argument.

[furtiveglance]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061

did you forget what your read was supposed to be or

Her content dropped off massively, do you disagree?

It was already dead by that point. This is not an argument.

Yeah but there was a delay in me seeing it. Like I thought your early posting was towny, and when I townread someone's posts that gives them town in my eyes for a bit even if they stop posting so much. But after a while I just think you're scum who couldn't keep it up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That... Progression makes very little sense.

There was a whole subsection of conversation on day 1 about my competence as scum. Not only does the progression og being very town and "couldn't keep it up" not track remotely because I really wasnt scunread at all in early days.

But the logic doesn't track given you saw the posting that centered around that conversation called it town and then conveniently forgot this to mame the arguement that I somehow couldn't maintain my townieness?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your logic is hollow, is the point I am making.

[GuiltyLion]

do we want to kill datisi today?

I'm very interested in killing Datisi today actually...I just had a thought

isn't it better to squeeze at least one more cop check out of him, if not more (if we flip scum today)

what's the argument for killing him today specifically

[GuiltyLion]

why is this the thought that you had about it? (ik it's a vague question, there's a point)

I didn't like that Roden was blanket discrediting the council in 4450 and 4456 without naming names, especially combined with his "Firebringer is obvtown" read, so I asked him who he thought was scum on the council. when he gave me 4480 in reply, I went back to check his "scum reads list" which I found in 3866, and saw that you were the only council member on there. So then I tried to carry his thought process from 4456 ("intentionally giving up a kill to let scum council members more effectively deep wolf is kind of a basic play here.") out to its natural conclusion - if you are scum in the cop role, it's not really all that effective to stall because you either have to keep calling townies town, give us a (real) guilty, or give us a fake guilty and trade yourself 1-1, all of these things are better served by continuing to make NKs and whittle down the PL faster, buying you time doesn't really get scum!you anything. that was my thought about it.

I guess I didn't really consider that scum!you could fake clear a buddy, but in any world it doesn't strike me as a "natural" play to try to make yourself deep(er) wolf when you'd already be a deep wolf in this world and you're in the council role that's expected to give results every single day

[GuiltyLion]

Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next

I actually vibe with the thought process here and I don't see any scum!incentive to post this? like this is not survivalist, this will not net scum!furtive anything in the town!Datisi world, this strikes me as an unintuitive post to make as scum.

fireisred, do you really think "forgetting his read" is more likely to come from scum here specifically, I don't see that as a contradiction or indicative of scum mindset. I can believe a town!furtiive had a read on LLD decay over the course of ~2000 posts.

[GuiltyLion]

I can get behind 4674 and in the world where all of Datisi/LLD/Titus/Mastina are town then I agree Drapion is probably scum, his play today feels a bit like flailing as well

I want to re-ISO before dropping a vote but Drapion feels like a good wagon

also can someone actually detail what the night actions were

[GuiltyLion]

I think we're either in the simple POE world of drap/enchant/furtive/UNOwen with likely no scum on council, maybe FB trying to deepwolf in this one but it's not necessary to make the pieces fit together

or we're in a Datisi scum world with LLD

I agree with furtive that despite my Datisi townread, a green result on LLD is frankly baffling, I still maintain that she had the worst associatives with Dann of any player and that result feels more surprising to me than even the mastina result was

and her push to lim Datisi after he just green checked her feels kinda like it could be a bus play? idk - if I'm town and I'm cleared by cop then if the cop is green I want him to keep giving me results... I don't think I'd push to lim him unless I'm actively confidently scumreading him or one of his checks. I'm trying to entertain the idea of perhaps becoming conftown by cop death and whether that would be appealing in LLD's position, but if that's what she wants then she's advocating to lim town which doesn't make a ton of sense either

[Firebringer]

ill let mastina dorp all the details on night actions.
she seemed like she wanted the honors in council chat

[furtiveglance]

ill let mastina dorp all the details on night actions.
she seemed like she wanted the honors in council chat

Yeah please do, if we have a town clear courtesy of doc that would be really useful

[furtiveglance]

do we want to kill datisi today?

I'm very interested in killing Datisi today actually...I just had a thought

isn't it better to squeeze at least one more cop check out of him, if not more (if we flip scum today)

what's the argument for killing him today specifically

Thing is that if we agree to vote him out tomorrow and he is scum then he can just miraculously find a 'mafia' and get another miscondemn