I'm not. I'm not shading you with my questions, I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're doing. Idk if you haven't been keeping up with my posts but I've been heavily suspecting Datisi for a few days now, I have way more reason to vote him than you. The only reason I haven't is because I want to be confident with my vote.
Some of the things you've said has given me pause, but at the same time idk what you're doing to further your wincon here if you're scum. It's the same issue I had with Dwlee and why I thought they were probably just town at first.
I'm not. I'm not shading you with my questions, I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're doing. Idk if you haven't been keeping up with my posts but I've been heavily suspecting Datisi for a few days now, I have way more reason to vote him than you. The only reason I haven't is because I want to be confident with my vote.
Some of the things you've said has given me pause, but at the same time idk what you're doing to further your wincon here if you're scum. It's the same issue I had with Dwlee and why I thought they were probably just town at first.
Can you not see town motivation behind trying to either confirm 3 players or get a mafia out? Neither the Cop nor their 3 green checks have been killed, I don't know if any of them have been targeted. This is suspect. I can't claim to strongly scumread Datisi, I think they're possibly scum by play after their Lukewarm interactions but the strongest argument is the mechanical one.
In post 4976, furtiveglance wrote:I actually think this has been one of my towniest games - I've voted both Mafia, I've challenged multiple times putting my life at risk, I've had controversial opinions, I've been *somewhat* active
Literally don't know what you want from me anymore, unless the meta has gone back to townreading massive wall cases and lists
My other theory is that people on the council tend to trust people on the council, so if you're trusted to be on the council in the first place it just spirals from there and everything gets really stagnant
Either way it's a bummer
This is also just something I agree with, like as a mood. I keep going through bouts of losing interest in this game because it's been pretty clear the default game state wasn't going away i.e. everyone not in power is PoE'd and we're all just counting down the days until we get guillotine'd. From my perspective it feels like we're just fodder until it gets to the point that the council can play in ELO by themselves. It's just not fun, but no one in the PoE wants to do anything about it because of the "anyone but me" mentality.
I'm not. I'm not shading you with my questions, I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're doing. Idk if you haven't been keeping up with my posts but I've been heavily suspecting Datisi for a few days now, I have way more reason to vote him than you. The only reason I haven't is because I want to be confident with my vote.
Some of the things you've said has given me pause, but at the same time idk what you're doing to further your wincon here if you're scum. It's the same issue I had with Dwlee and why I thought they were probably just town at first.
Can you not see town motivation behind trying to either confirm 3 players or get a mafia out? Neither the Cop nor their 3 green checks have been killed, I don't know if any of them have been targeted. This is suspect. I can't claim to strongly scumread Datisi, I think they're possibly scum by play after their Lukewarm interactions but the strongest argument is the mechanical one.
I made this exact argument a few hours ago. So yes.
In post 4976, furtiveglance wrote:I actually think this has been one of my towniest games - I've voted both Mafia, I've challenged multiple times putting my life at risk, I've had controversial opinions, I've been *somewhat* active
Literally don't know what you want from me anymore, unless the meta has gone back to townreading massive wall cases and lists
My other theory is that people on the council tend to trust people on the council, so if you're trusted to be on the council in the first place it just spirals from there and everything gets really stagnant
Either way it's a bummer
This is also just something I agree with, like as a mood. I keep going through bouts of losing interest in this game because it's been pretty clear the default game state wasn't going away i.e. everyone not in power is PoE'd and we're all just counting down the days until we get guillotine'd. From my perspective it feels like we're just fodder until it gets to the point that the council can play in ELO by themselves. It's just not fun, but no one in the PoE wants to do anything about it because of the "anyone but me" mentality.
I think it's been a new development in this day phase really, with mastina's list mainly what I'm thinking of. Have you seen it before then?
In post 5052, Thestatusquo wrote:datisi I know you saw this because you posted in small council. What are your thoughts on this?
how
rude
i have skimmed, and by skimmed i mean *heavily* skimmed. i don't intend to fight my yeet too hard because i understand whoever wants my death is just gonna be parroting the mechanical argument ad nauseam. but i do sense that there is very strong scum motivation to getting me yeeted, and i intend to reread those pushing for it to try to leave y'all in a better position after i die. i will get to doing that in a lil' bit, about to eat dinner
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 5052, Thestatusquo wrote:datisi I know you saw this because you posted in small council. What are your thoughts on this?
how
rude
i have skimmed, and by skimmed i mean *heavily* skimmed. i don't intend to fight my yeet too hard because i understand whoever wants my death is just gonna be parroting the mechanical argument ad nauseam. but i do sense that there is very strong scum motivation to getting me yeeted, and i intend to reread those pushing for it to try to leave y'all in a better position after i die. i will get to doing that in a lil' bit, about to eat dinner
Yes I would like your last will and testament in case of you being town for certain.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 5052, Thestatusquo wrote:datisi I know you saw this because you posted in small council. What are your thoughts on this?
how
rude
i have skimmed, and by skimmed i mean *heavily* skimmed. i don't intend to fight my yeet too hard because i understand whoever wants my death is just gonna be parroting the mechanical argument ad nauseam. but i do sense that there is very strong scum motivation to getting me yeeted, and i intend to reread those pushing for it to try to leave y'all in a better position after i die. i will get to doing that in a lil' bit, about to eat dinner
i was continuously being protected up until last night. scum couldn't kill me. i think it's v obvious i'm town via dayplay, so the only way to score my misyeet is by arguing the mechanics.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 5016, Firebringer wrote:still zero scum case on datisi.
Is this such a big ask for someone to provide me a look at datisi posts and tell me the scum motivation going on that i haven't seen.
I want someone to tell me this isn't just a paranoia/mechanic push.
No one is willing to do it. Its just 'this is optimal play'. That aint cutting it for me right now. Can someone scum case datisi
In post 5061, Datisi wrote:i was continuously being protected up until last night. scum couldn't kill me. i think it's v obvious i'm town via dayplay, so the only way to score my misyeet is by arguing the mechanics.
if you are town, isn't it actually better for scum to keep you alive because then your clears aren't cleared yet and your misyeet would be guaranteed to come even later when it's forced
misyeeting you now, assuming you are town, just makes the rest of the game harder for scum, right?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
like if Datisi is town scum definitely want him alive, no? having Titus be conftown cop and the POE (which would be effectively game winning with town!Mastina, town!LLD, town!Titus, likely all-town council, etc) is strictly worse
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
the only real scum motivation to yeet Datisi here (again assuming he's town) is if it's scum directly on the chopping block instead
I find it odd Datisi suggests his actual misyeet is itself valuable. It's really not because we 100% clear three other townies with his death (if he is town) and make one of them the next cop, that's overall a net negative for scum
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 5061, Datisi wrote:i was continuously being protected up until last night. scum couldn't kill me. i think it's v obvious i'm town via dayplay, so the only way to score my misyeet is by arguing the mechanics.
So the motivation for scum is to get you in particular yeeted?
Do you actually think you will end game here as town? It's hard for me to believe that you believe that.
It also ignores that the two people most strongly calling for Datisi lim today are GL who is someone Datisi has been implicitly town reading all game and LLD a person he should know is clear via his own investigations.
i have skimmed, and by skimmed i mean *heavily* skimmed. i don't intend to fight my yeet too hard because i understand whoever wants my death is just gonna be parroting the mechanical argument ad nauseam. but i do sense that there is very strong scum motivation to getting me yeeted, and i intend to reread those pushing for it to try to leave y'all in a better position after i die. i will get to doing that in a lil' bit, about to eat dinner
Like am I the only person who finds this comment incredibly awkward and forced considering the two specific people who are pushing this narrative? It's like Datisi knows that town!dats would probably not be that upset about being yeeted but had a hard time squaring it with the actual reality of the push which is primarily coming from someone he has a clear on.
I have a hard time really thinking scum!LLD would be pushing for this because contrary to the claim, I don't really see a lot of motivation for scum to get datisi in particular rn, considering the cop role persists. And in a world where datisi is getting shit pushed LLD has to be town?
i'm p sure i said somewhere that i don't think scum would be driving the wagon first, but be hiding behind the townies that do. i thought it was obvious with me having a clear on lld, too.
you also should know that i sm currently highly doubting my gl townread if you read the council pt; he's the first person i'm looking at
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 4976, furtiveglance wrote:I actually think this has been one of my towniest games - I've voted both Mafia, I've challenged multiple times putting my life at risk, I've had controversial opinions, I've been *somewhat* active
Literally don't know what you want from me anymore, unless the meta has gone back to townreading massive wall cases and lists
My other theory is that people on the council tend to trust people on the council, so if you're trusted to be on the council in the first place it just spirals from there and everything gets really stagnant
Either way it's a bummer
This is also just something I agree with, like as a mood. I keep going through bouts of losing interest in this game because it's been pretty clear the default game state wasn't going away i.e. everyone not in power is PoE'd and we're all just counting down the days until we get guillotine'd. From my perspective it feels like we're just fodder until it gets to the point that the council can play in ELO by themselves. It's just not fun, but no one in the PoE wants to do anything about it because of the "anyone but me" mentality.
I think it's been a new development in this day phase really, with mastina's list mainly what I'm thinking of. Have you seen it before then?
Yeah, I have. It's why my engagement is way up today.
Datisi is the correct play today, what would it take for you to join me on this wagon?
I'm just waiting at this point for anyone who's against a Datisi elim to town case him and explain why him, the green checks, and the Doctor aren't dead.
I also really need someone to explain to me like I'm 5 how/why four scum supported Shea as king but then somehow didn't get onto the council in a town!Datisi world.
In post 5061, Datisi wrote:i was continuously being protected up until last night. scum couldn't kill me. i think it's v obvious i'm town via dayplay, so the only way to score my misyeet is by arguing the mechanics.
i have skimmed, and by skimmed i mean *heavily* skimmed. i don't intend to fight my yeet too hard because i understand whoever wants my death is just gonna be parroting the mechanical argument ad nauseam. but i do sense that there is very strong scum motivation to getting me yeeted, and i intend to reread those pushing for it to try to leave y'all in a better position after i die. i will get to doing that in a lil' bit, about to eat dinner
Like am I the only person who finds this comment incredibly awkward and forced considering the two specific people who are pushing this narrative? It's like Datisi knows that town!dats would probably not be that upset about being yeeted but had a hard time squaring it with the actual reality of the push which is primarily coming from someone he has a clear on.
I have a hard time really thinking scum!LLD would be pushing for this because contrary to the claim, I don't really see a lot of motivation for scum to get datisi in particular rn, considering the cop role persists. And in a world where datisi is getting shit pushed LLD has to be town?
Mmm. This has taken a lot out of me.
I thought throwing my weight around would make me feel normal again but instead I'm twice as anxious as I ever have been.
Still... Recent posting has me even more convinced than ever that this is the path we must take.
Flipping Datisi and playing from there is how we win without pitfall.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 5066, Thestatusquo wrote:Do you actually think you will end game here as town? It's hard for me to believe that you believe that.
i don't think it's impossible. i definitely don't think that whoever is the cop *has* to die
the scum motivation for yeeting me is p clear. scum can't exactly shoot my clears because that makes me look better and keeps allowing me to make checks. i am obviously protected. getting me yeeted, and *then* killing my clears is a much better path
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 5068, Thestatusquo wrote:Like am I the only person who finds this comment incredibly awkward and forced considering the two specific people who are pushing this narrative?
i think you are pretty definitely not the only one lol
i think datisi's approach to this since the conversation started a couple days ago has been scummy and that was part of what tipped me over the edge to voting him
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
